ZachAttack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:07 pm
I love how people bring up Foo Fighters with this argument like they're some "new" band lol
Take it from someone who was actually in one of the origin NWOTHM bands - it's dead.
You know the scene in the Anvil movie where they're playing a bar and there's like one guy in the audience sitting in a recliner? That's like 90% of all shows in the US...and that's even when we would tour with an established 80s metal band. The only thing keeping it hanging on are these big festivals where Priest or someone huge headlines...and once all those old bands retire and you don't have the marquee name to bring people in, you can say goodbye to rock music forever
Who brings up the Foo Fighters?
All you have to do is look at the B level bands, and see the vast divide between them and the A level bands. Ticket and album sales are steep between these two levels, and the C, D, etc. levels are even worse. Metal has always been a bit of a niche subset of Rock, but for a time, it had an audience at least. Now it doesn't have much of jack shit. The double whammy of the 90s of depressing, dreary grunge / alternative steeped in 70s accoutrements, both musically and visually, followed by shameless elderly bands reuniting for a huge pay day really killed off rock. For metal, it was the extremism, appealing to smaller and smaller audiences, and in the mainstream, the death of guitar solos (ie, nu metal), that basically assured its demise. The sampled, triggered drums didn't help matters any, nor did extreme bands weirdly trying to move up from the underground. Labels saw Earache, Roadrunner, et al, and thought they could somehow make a fortune in much the same way they did with every other previous subgenre movement. I'm pretty certain every such attempt was a complete and utter failure.
For those music listeners who basically wanted fun party music, they got it elsewhere, typically in the form of Disco's bastard offspring, whatever you want to call it. (ie, rap/hip hop, dance, electro, techno, house, etc.)
Grand Classic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:46 pm
The reality is that everything has been done.
You are not going to see a new band come out of nowhere with a style of their own that is going to light the world on fire at a time when the younger generation for the most part doesn't care about music in the same way as generations before.
Music is disposable for the most part. They listen, go crazy for a latest song and then move on. I know you are younger - you would be among the exception.
A record label is better off appealing to an older demographic that still is passionate about music and will still buy albums on a somewhat regular basis, so that is why there are tons of retro classic rock bands. Many who do very well in this day and age. 40 and 50+ year old people tend to just want to hear the kind of music that they grew up with. They are past the point of desiring some kind of avant garde rock music that no one has heard before. You are not there yet, even though I am ironically talking to you on a forum for a 50 year old band.
If Wolfgang's new album did sound exactly like Van Halen - VH fans would be jerking off to it and thanking their personal God that there will be more Van Halen style music coming.
You also have to consider that some millennials did listen to Zeppelin and other classic rock bands growing up, so like all other bands in any other decade, it was natural for them to want to play that style of music once they started their own band.
Love or hate GVF, they are successful because of classic rock. They wouldn't be anything if they were going for a completely new sound. It is unfortunate, but that is reality.
Younger generations do not care about music in the same way as before, I agree. I think much of that has to do with information overload and option paralysis, thanks to the internet. You don't grow and absorb music in the same way you did previously, because there are always 5 other things you want to go watch, listen to, etc. While everything has been done, everything had been done by the 70s, and yet we still had quite a few interesting acts spring up afterwards. The issue for a lot of recent rock and metal bands is they do not care to actually be unique, and thanks to Scream, think being "meta" and cynical is good enough.
Case in point: The so called "thrash revival" was very short lived because there were far too many acts where they were leaning far too heavily on incredibly "stock" -- shall we say -- Metallica, Exodus, Megadeth, and Slayer riffs. I think the courts, however, would argue that they were stolen, but I doubt the bands that were plagiarized would get much from going after these creatively bankrupt thieves.
I liked Wolfgang's new album, and I'm glad he didn't just "write" some songs that may or may not have been just like dear old Dad's, with dubious origins. "Oh, uh, yeah, I may have gotten that from a demo and 'reimagined' it." That said, the older generation seems to pine so much for their youth, thanks to nostalgia (the death of creativity, as far as I am concerned; fuck nostalgia), that they are very accepting of prepackaged plagiarism. This is what happens when you are starved of new films, shows, music, etc. that appeal to your tastes, but remember: "rock is not dead." Give me a break.
I just hope these lazy hipster douches do not start ripping off Thin Lizzy. Then again, I think that'd be a little too high effort for these slackjawed dimwits. The difference between today's bands and those from previous generations is the number of influences each member brings to the table. Bands of the past even had different genre influences; bands of today might have 3 musical influences among them, and think it is "clever" to mix AC/DC with 80s New Wave. Actually, come to think of it, I think that is a bit too high effort for most of these retro fetishist weirdos.
It'll be short lived when GVF's demographic dies off in the next ten to fifteen years. Then what?