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If there is a 4-hour documentary coming out, do they REALLY need to do a bio pic as well? I mean what can the bio pic tell us that the books and the A&E doc won't cover--unless there is a whole new level of Peter, Ace and Vinnie bashing we don't know about.
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It's not about the story for me. It's about how well the actors can pull it off. For that, I am VERY interested to see how this pans out.
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Answer to your question:

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I think it's all about jumping on the Netflix bio pic bandwagon. They saw what it did for the crue and now they want a piece of it so that they can merge EOTR into a stadium tour with some other big names.
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They would love to have that BioPic roll out just in time for a 50th anniversary tour.
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With the touring band winding down the biopic will be a perfect opportunity to set up the next phase of their evolution and income stream. Keeps them in the public eye and keeps the interest going.
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If their is money to be made then of course it's needed. I also think it's gonna be a couple more years before it comes out, and will likely be one aspect of the celebration (ie products for the KISS army to buy) of the 50th anniversary of KISS.
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KingOfHearts89 wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:46 pm If their is money to be made then of course it's needed. I also think it's gonna be a couple more years before it comes out, and will likely be one aspect of the celebration (ie products for the KISS army to buy) of the 50th anniversary of KISS.
I came here to say this as well.
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Nope. The bio pics always come off 1/2 assed and hokey.
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I don't see the need for a biopic and I never like those considering how they're untruthful.
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There’s no need for a biopic but G&P want the status.
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Absolutely. If there was ever a story that deserved a biopic, I think it is this one. I just hope it gets done with the budget, talent and quality it deserves.
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Kiss-Army-Sergeant wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:08 pm If there is a 4-hour documentary coming out, do they REALLY need to do a bio pic as well? I mean what can the bio pic tell us that the books and the A&E doc won't cover--unless there is a whole new level of Peter, Ace and Vinnie bashing we don't know about.
Need? No. But I am sure Paul and Gene want the general public to crazy over a KISS biopic like the ones for Queen and Elton John.
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My question is What can they say that they haven't already said or that we don't already know? Also, with all of it being from Gene and Paul's perspective what will they say that won't be a lie anyway?
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If there is money to be made and Paul has full editorial control (like the A&E Docu)……they will do it.
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I think it's a great story and *could* be made into a worthwhile movie. Whether it *will* be good is another question.
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GACatmandu wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 pm My question is What can they say that they haven't already said or that we don't already know? Also, with all of it being from Gene and Paul's perspective what will they say that won't be a lie anyway?
Seriously. Supposedly all four members gave their full stories in their respective books. So what new info is there to be learned, especially if P&G have full creative control over the project?

I can see this now. The biopic will get made, something will piss Ace and/or Peter off, and there will be a whole new round of verbal mudslinging going on. Seriously, these are (supposedly) four grown men. Why they continue to feel the need to take verbal potshots at each other at this point in their lives like little school kids is beyond comprehension.
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What if they recreate old stage shows ? It could be very cool
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Kiss-Army-Sergeant wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:08 pm If there is a 4-hour documentary coming out, do they REALLY need to do a bio pic as well? I mean what can the bio pic tell us that the books and the A&E doc won't cover--unless there is a whole new level of Peter, Ace and Vinnie bashing we don't know about.

Spot-on Sergeant--- I couldn't agree more! The thought of yet another trend-hopping "biopic" is embarrassing. :idea: ... :oops:
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sicksickphil wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:32 am What if they recreate old stage shows ? It could be very cool
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for the documentary, weren't they actively soliciting fans to submit old video footage for use in the project? I mean, I don't know how much old footage they actually have, but I thought that was unusual to be asking fans to submit their old footage and photos for the project, probably in exchange for a credit mention at the end of the documentary.
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Kiss-Army-Sergeant wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:57 pm
sicksickphil wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:32 am What if they recreate old stage shows ? It could be very cool
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for the documentary, weren't they actively soliciting fans to submit old video footage for use in the project? I mean, I don't know how much old footage they actually have, but I thought that was unusual to be asking fans to submit their old footage and photos for the project, probably in exchange for a credit mention at the end of the documentary.


I think that was for the "movie" that was shelved a few years ago with a U.K. director, Adam... something. :P

I believe there was a thread on here about it. :?:
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sicksickphil wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:32 am What if they recreate old stage shows ? It could be very cool
I hope the concert scenes are amazing.
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No. We are very fortunate to have all these Kiss videos and docs we’ve had for decades. Going back to the VHS days and Exposed in particular. Then the 90’s gave us Xtreme closeup, KMA, etc. VH-1 When Kiss Ruled The World is really good. There’s plenty of great Kiss docs including a multi dvd set..Kissology. The biopics and videos today are mostly embarrassing and sensationalized to a ridiculous point.
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OHKISSFAN wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:16 pm Answer to your question:

YES!
Curious: Why yes? You believe there is new material to be hashed out?
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Why would anyone expect a biopic to be about new discoveries?
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Kiss-Army-Sergeant wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:08 pm If there is a 4-hour documentary coming out, do they REALLY need to do a bio pic as well? I mean what can the bio pic tell us that the books and the A&E doc won't cover--unless there is a whole new level of Peter, Ace and Vinnie bashing we don't know about.
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lord71 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:55 am
Kiss-Army-Sergeant wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:08 pm If there is a 4-hour documentary coming out, do they REALLY need to do a bio pic as well? I mean what can the bio pic tell us that the books and the A&E doc won't cover--unless there is a whole new level of Peter, Ace and Vinnie bashing we don't know about.
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How so? Presumably same creative input from G&P with limited to no participation from A&P.
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Of course! From 1970 up to the commercial break thru with Alive and Destroyer.
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Please no biopic! They are always awful and stretch the truth beyond belief.
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Much like their live concerts, I figure the biopic will attract a lot of casuals. I’m not a huge Crew fan but I watched their biopic.
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No interest in contrived BS. This is just more bandwagon jumping. They have no ideas of their own...
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I think it could be interesting if they based it on the book "Nothin' to Lose". From their youthful beginnings, to their breakthrough with "Alive!"

Then, you can always have a sequel too. Call it "Larger than Life" (76-80)
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Mr. Kiss wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:21 pm
Kiss-Army-Sergeant wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:57 pm
sicksickphil wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:32 am What if they recreate old stage shows ? It could be very cool
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for the documentary, weren't they actively soliciting fans to submit old video footage for use in the project? I mean, I don't know how much old footage they actually have, but I thought that was unusual to be asking fans to submit their old footage and photos for the project, probably in exchange for a credit mention at the end of the documentary.


I think that was for the "movie" that was shelved a few years ago with a U.K. director, Adam... something. :P

I believe there was a thread on here about it. :?:
Alan Parker.

Alan told me he'd been a card carrying member of the KISS Army since he was 14, but the bullshit over the film left him not even wanting to wear their shirt.

The budget for that movie was set to be $2million and the 'front end' money was stumped up by unnamed London-based investors. They spent money and time getting archive footage and filming interviews and everything else that goes into doing a movie, but then KISS' legal people left the investors less than impressed with the way they did business, so the investors refused to fund the 'back end' of the production, KISS refused to do anything with it, and the movie was shelved. Apparently, there was an initial 2 hours 30 minutes produced in a first cut when the whole thing fell apart at the end.
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Where's Drago? wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:13 pm
Mr. Kiss wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:21 pm
Kiss-Army-Sergeant wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:57 pm
sicksickphil wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:32 am What if they recreate old stage shows ? It could be very cool
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for the documentary, weren't they actively soliciting fans to submit old video footage for use in the project? I mean, I don't know how much old footage they actually have, but I thought that was unusual to be asking fans to submit their old footage and photos for the project, probably in exchange for a credit mention at the end of the documentary.


I think that was for the "movie" that was shelved a few years ago with a U.K. director, Adam... something. :P

I believe there was a thread on here about it. :?:
Alan Parker.

Alan told me he'd been a card carrying member of the KISS Army since he was 14, but the bullshit over the film left him not even wanting to wear their shirt.

The budget for that movie was set to be $2million and the 'front end' money was stumped up by unnamed London-based investors. They spent money and time getting archive footage and filming interviews and everything else that goes into doing a movie, but then KISS' legal people left the investors less than impressed with the way they did business, so the investors refused to fund the 'back end' of the production, KISS refused to do anything with it, and the movie was shelved. Apparently, there was an initial 2 hours 30 minutes produced in a first cut when the whole thing fell apart at the end.


That's it Drago. Thanks for the name correction and the scoop behind the aborted doc... much appreciated. 8)
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KissBrooklyn wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:49 am Please no biopic! They are always awful and stretch the truth beyond belief.


I agree. 8)
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I can only hope that it's as stellar as the VH1 Def Leppard biopic -

If they make it - it needs to be made in a fashion where it's timeless - no current special effects or trendy edits that will look silly in 10 years-

That probably means they shouldn't be involved at all