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Post by PterCriss » Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am

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And why is Kiss sleeping at the amusement park lol? That makes no sense. In the movie (just like real life at that point) they were hugely successful. They obviously would be staying at the nicest hotel.
When Kiss plays an arena, they don't sleep there...lol ridiculous. They did it just to try and make this sill story work of course. I just love the idea that this huge band plays the park and after the concert, everyone eventually leaves, audience and then employees and Kiss is just left in this dark park with everything shut down. They get this shitty room with what? That trying to be a couch weird stuffed snake thing? Plastic trees. No TV or stereo I don't think. No girls lol. Not even any security. Just those two dopey guards who aren't even keeping any tabs on the band anyway.
They weren't sleeping in the amusement park but a mansion on the amusement park ground. Have you seen that real life location?

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Post by Crown Royal » Fri May 17, 2019 10:28 am

Abner had a great retirement from the park, so he didn't mind sticking around and working for free for a week or two.

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Post by Yiggity » Fri May 17, 2019 1:47 pm

PterCriss wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:25 am
Yiggity wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:58 pm
What isn't fucked up about this movie? But let's discuss it anyway. I'll start:

Abner was able to control Sam, Dirty Dee, Chopper and Snake just by putting transistor things on their necks yet he felt the need to make complete robots of the Kiss members from scratch. Including costumes. Why do all that extra work?

When Abner has the Gene robot on the table, he breathes fire yet Abner later needs their talismen to give them powers. Otherwise they're just ordinary men. That can breathe fire.

When Dirty Dee and the two others were sucked through the tubes, they're shown going up but Abner's lab is very deep underground. How'd they get there?

Abner is fired because he's seen as a danger to the park (rides going haywire, etc) yet after he's fired, he still works in the lab and no one notices.

What else?

You missed the plot line:

Abner needed the talismen to take Kiss' powers away not toggle those powers to the Kiss ROBOTS.

- Gene's robot can breathe fire in real life, fire is fire.

- Abner was working after he was fired because he's a rebel villain. His plan was to take over the park.
And you missed the post above where someone already mentioned this about the talismen.
And I know why Abner was still working, I talking about how no one noticed that he was still there after being fired. If someone is deemed a risk to the park, don't you think he would've been escorted off the grounds?

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Post by Yiggity » Fri May 17, 2019 1:48 pm

PterCriss wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am
Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:18 am
And why is Kiss sleeping at the amusement park lol? That makes no sense. In the movie (just like real life at that point) they were hugely successful. They obviously would be staying at the nicest hotel.
When Kiss plays an arena, they don't sleep there...lol ridiculous. They did it just to try and make this sill story work of course. I just love the idea that this huge band plays the park and after the concert, everyone eventually leaves, audience and then employees and Kiss is just left in this dark park with everything shut down. They get this shitty room with what? That trying to be a couch weird stuffed snake thing? Plastic trees. No TV or stereo I don't think. No girls lol. Not even any security. Just those two dopey guards who aren't even keeping any tabs on the band anyway.
They weren't sleeping in the amusement park but a mansion on the amusement park ground. Have you seen that real life location?
Basically the same thing then?

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Post by ohiostate98 » Fri May 17, 2019 2:57 pm

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Why did Peter even need a talisman??
Peter's talisman gave his super-human powers to ingest cocaine
I needed a fucking laugh and that did it! Instant classic!

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Post by fadingrockstar93 » Fri May 17, 2019 3:42 pm

Ok this is simply the best Kiss thread I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. I’m love what a train wreck this movie is.

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Post by Vandelay Industries » Fri May 17, 2019 3:50 pm

I guess this falls under the "don't make sense" category....why the hell would fans start a riot over song lyrics?

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Post by Tanith » Fri May 17, 2019 7:16 pm

Remember, Sam saw it from the get-go. His very first (and I think only) line is "There's something going on around here I don't understand..."

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Post by Velvis » Fri May 17, 2019 7:26 pm

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Why are they wearing those crazy robes when they're lounging by the pool? Why are they even lounging by the pool in full costume to begin with? It doesn't look very relaxing.
That's the coolest part of the movie. Just KISS being KISS hanging out like pals at the pool.

I would go-to the beach if I had a kick ass robe like that.

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Post by Velvis » Fri May 17, 2019 7:28 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:50 pm
I guess this falls under the "don't make sense" category....why the hell would fans start a riot over song lyrics?
I wish they would play HTH and on the sly use the Rip and Destroy lyrics and see how many people notice.

I doubt Gene would. (I have seen him attempt to sing Love Gun and he knew like 5% of the lyrics.)

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Post by Velvis » Fri May 17, 2019 7:30 pm

Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 1:48 pm
PterCriss wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am
Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:18 am
And why is Kiss sleeping at the amusement park lol? That makes no sense. In the movie (just like real life at that point) they were hugely successful. They obviously would be staying at the nicest hotel.
When Kiss plays an arena, they don't sleep there...lol ridiculous. They did it just to try and make this sill story work of course. I just love the idea that this huge band plays the park and after the concert, everyone eventually leaves, audience and then employees and Kiss is just left in this dark park with everything shut down. They get this shitty room with what? That trying to be a couch weird stuffed snake thing? Plastic trees. No TV or stereo I don't think. No girls lol. Not even any security. Just those two dopey guards who aren't even keeping any tabs on the band anyway.
They weren't sleeping in the amusement park but a mansion on the amusement park ground. Have you seen that real life location?
Basically the same thing then?
I'd love to sleep in Cinderella Castle at WDW, the mansion is likely the equivalent at Magic Mountain.

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Post by PterCriss » Fri May 17, 2019 7:35 pm

Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 1:47 pm
PterCriss wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:25 am
Yiggity wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:58 pm
What isn't fucked up about this movie? But let's discuss it anyway. I'll start:

Abner was able to control Sam, Dirty Dee, Chopper and Snake just by putting transistor things on their necks yet he felt the need to make complete robots of the Kiss members from scratch. Including costumes. Why do all that extra work?

When Abner has the Gene robot on the table, he breathes fire yet Abner later needs their talismen to give them powers. Otherwise they're just ordinary men. That can breathe fire.

When Dirty Dee and the two others were sucked through the tubes, they're shown going up but Abner's lab is very deep underground. How'd they get there?

Abner is fired because he's seen as a danger to the park (rides going haywire, etc) yet after he's fired, he still works in the lab and no one notices.

What else?

You missed the plot line:

Abner needed the talismen to take Kiss' powers away not toggle those powers to the Kiss ROBOTS.

- Gene's robot can breathe fire in real life, fire is fire.

- Abner was working after he was fired because he's a rebel villain. His plan was to take over the park.
And you missed the post above where someone already mentioned this about the talismen.
And I know why Abner was still working, I talking about how no one noticed that he was still there after being fired. If someone is deemed a risk to the park, don't you think he would've been escorted off the grounds?
I gave you my take and didn't read what other people posted. I know the movie and kinda got it even back in 78. How did you miss the main storyline about the talisman?

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Post by PterCriss » Fri May 17, 2019 7:40 pm

Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 1:48 pm
PterCriss wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am
Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:18 am
And why is Kiss sleeping at the amusement park lol? That makes no sense. In the movie (just like real life at that point) they were hugely successful. They obviously would be staying at the nicest hotel.
When Kiss plays an arena, they don't sleep there...lol ridiculous. They did it just to try and make this sill story work of course. I just love the idea that this huge band plays the park and after the concert, everyone eventually leaves, audience and then employees and Kiss is just left in this dark park with everything shut down. They get this shitty room with what? That trying to be a couch weird stuffed snake thing? Plastic trees. No TV or stereo I don't think. No girls lol. Not even any security. Just those two dopey guards who aren't even keeping any tabs on the band anyway.
They weren't sleeping in the amusement park but a mansion on the amusement park ground. Have you seen that real life location?
Basically the same thing then?
No not the same-thing. You question came off as "why the hell are they sleeping at the amusement park?" - This is like you missing the talisman and how Abner used them. The said Amusment park and story wanted it to seem like the mansion or hotel was part of the park, like other theme parks around the world. I'm not sure why this part of the movie you have a problem with? They could have had Kiss in the cafeteria taking a lunch break and kept the talisman under the ham and cheese sandwich.

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Post by redinthesky » Fri May 17, 2019 8:43 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:50 pm
I guess this falls under the "don't make sense" category....why the hell would fans start a riot over song lyrics?
The power of rock 'n roll, man

It's like the 50s....swinging hips and nasty lyrics corrupting our flaming youth, daddy-o

I do like when the talismans are messed with, Paul playing the acoustic guitar messes up, kind of like a "disturbance in the Force" kind of thing. Then he gets back on track without even wondering what happened. Then Kiss hears Melissa, and casually strolls over to see what's wrong.

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Post by Deadpool » Fri May 17, 2019 10:34 pm

Tanith wrote:
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Unless you want to count jumping over the park fence, Peter didn't really seem to display any "powers". Ace was teleporting, Gene was breathing fire, and Paul was channeling the power of the almighty PEWPEWPEW through his right eye...but what did Peter do? I mean it kindly, but "Catman" ought to have been doing catly things...super acrobatics, getting under my feet while I'm carrying groceries, jumping straight up when he realizes there's a cucumber behind him... :P
:lol: :lol: I can't stop laughing right now!

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Post by criss75 » Fri May 17, 2019 11:04 pm

Gene’s brother was an only child

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Post by Yiggity » Fri May 17, 2019 11:14 pm

PterCriss wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 7:40 pm
Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 1:48 pm
PterCriss wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am
Yiggity wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:18 am
And why is Kiss sleeping at the amusement park lol? That makes no sense. In the movie (just like real life at that point) they were hugely successful. They obviously would be staying at the nicest hotel.
When Kiss plays an arena, they don't sleep there...lol ridiculous. They did it just to try and make this sill story work of course. I just love the idea that this huge band plays the park and after the concert, everyone eventually leaves, audience and then employees and Kiss is just left in this dark park with everything shut down. They get this shitty room with what? That trying to be a couch weird stuffed snake thing? Plastic trees. No TV or stereo I don't think. No girls lol. Not even any security. Just those two dopey guards who aren't even keeping any tabs on the band anyway.
They weren't sleeping in the amusement park but a mansion on the amusement park ground. Have you seen that real life location?
Basically the same thing then?
No not the same-thing. You question came off as "why the hell are they sleeping at the amusement park?" - This is like you missing the talisman and how Abner used them. The said Amusment park and story wanted it to seem like the mansion or hotel was part of the park, like other theme parks around the world. I'm not sure why this part of the movie you have a problem with? They could have had Kiss in the cafeteria taking a lunch break and kept the talisman under the ham and cheese sandwich.
I'm not having a problem with anything lol. You're completely missing the point of this thread if that's what you think is going on here. We're picking apart and making fun of a cheesey movie. Nothing more.

And the fact that the room I described earlier was in a mansion or not, doesnt change anything. Its still on the grounds of the amusement park, right?
It wasnt like I said they were sleeping in the teacups.

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Post by Tito » Sat May 18, 2019 2:00 am

I'm finding it hard to put to words how much I appreciate PterCriss and Yiggity getting into it over the finer points of this particular celluloid masterpiece. This is what KISS fandom is all about right here. :lol:

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Post by Yiggity » Sat May 18, 2019 2:12 am

Podcast, baby!

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Post by Tanith » Sat May 18, 2019 5:45 am

Tito wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 2:00 am
I'm finding it hard to put to words how much I appreciate PterCriss and Yiggity getting into it over the finer points of this particular celluloid masterpiece. This is what KISS fandom is all about right here. :lol:
LOL...it helps to bear in mind that the thing was clearly aimed at kids, which most of us were at the time. Kids aren't gonna critically study poorly constructed sets or worry about plot holes and narrative lines that go nowhere. They won't notice if somebody leaves a Starbucks cup on a table in a world where it shouldn't exist.

But I'm totally with Yiggity. If there's not already a podcast on this subject, there totally should be!

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Post by PsychoElder » Sat May 18, 2019 9:53 am

This is one of the best threads ever. I have laughed out loud many times while reading this. Comedy gold!!!

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Post by PterCriss » Sat May 18, 2019 10:28 am

Yiggity was all serious when he started this thread all toasted or not. It was only after a few "good points" were made that he decided to make fun or his questions like he was all funny funny.

Lot's of things you can make fun of in this movie. Missing the plot and not understanding were the story buts a rock band is bizarre but funny. It's fun to laugh at someone.

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Post by Yiggity » Sat May 18, 2019 11:34 am

PsychoElder wrote:
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This is one of the best threads ever. I have laughed out loud many times while reading this. Comedy gold!!!


Yes! This is the 1st time that I have watched the original in many many years. The few times I had pulled it out and watched it over the years it would be the attack of the phantoms version. I like that version better in some ways but there is just something about the original version also. Ace has more lines for 1. But it is cool to see the few unreleased scenes from the attack version also. But either version has wonderfully cheesy lines.

"Chopper and Snake dont hurt no one, unless they want to..."
So, they don't go around hurting people by accident? Good to know lol.

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Post by Man of a Thousand Aces » Sat May 18, 2019 11:55 am

In this scene you can actually see the harness Paul's wearing and the wire that he's flying from
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Post by Talktopete » Sat May 18, 2019 1:58 pm

Yiggity wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:58 pm
What isn't fucked up about this movie? But let's discuss it anyway. I'll start:

Abner was able to control Sam, Dirty Dee, Chopper and Snake just by putting transistor things on their necks yet he felt the need to make complete robots of the Kiss members from scratch. Including costumes. Why do all that extra work?

When Abner has the Gene robot on the table, he breathes fire yet Abner later needs their talismen to give them powers. Otherwise they're just ordinary men. That can breathe fire.

When Dirty Dee and the two others were sucked through the tubes, they're shown going up but Abner's lab is very deep underground. How'd they get there?

Abner is fired because he's seen as a danger to the park (rides going haywire, etc) yet after he's fired, he still works in the lab and no one notices.

What else?
OMG. The point about him still working in the lab...after being fired is hilarious!!!! I never thought about that. But then again, I was 12. That's like Seinfeld show material. So funny. They never had a 16 year old amusement park security guard tell him to leave?

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Post by Talktopete » Sat May 18, 2019 2:01 pm

His Majesty wrote:
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Not so much a plot hole than horrible screenplay writing.


KISS are coming off the stage. On the staircase, they witness Melissa freaking out over her boyfriend Sam, who is walking away all robotic and shit. Mere moments later, Paul, in his infinite wisdom, tells Melissa that Sam is still in the park.

No fucking shit. It's only been a few moments since we last saw him. Where the fuck would he be?
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Post by Talktopete » Sat May 18, 2019 2:05 pm

Sssnakester wrote:
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Why didn't melissa ever get naked? She should've got naked.
I bet her Talisman used two AA batteries.

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Post by nightwingken » Sat May 18, 2019 2:18 pm

Yiggity wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:58 pm
Abner was able to control Sam, Dirty Dee, Chopper and Snake just by putting transistor things on their necks yet he felt the need to make complete robots of the Kiss members from scratch. Including costumes. Why do all that extra work?
The Transistor may not have been able to work on KISS due to the field of the Talismans? They were not in their human form ...Pretty Mystical

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Post by KissJJM » Sat May 18, 2019 2:48 pm

Been awhile since I watched it but when Gene breaks through the wall in busts through the two security guards doesn't he just push the the one guy and then in the next scene he says he damn near tore my arm off

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Post by Yiggity » Sat May 18, 2019 3:29 pm

nightwingken wrote:
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Yiggity wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:58 pm
Abner was able to control Sam, Dirty Dee, Chopper and Snake just by putting transistor things on their necks yet he felt the need to make complete robots of the Kiss members from scratch. Including costumes. Why do all that extra work?
The Transistor may not have been able to work on KISS due to the field of the Talismans? They were not in their human form ...Pretty Mystical
But Abner already had the talismen by that point. He had zapped them with the raygun while saying "hmmm hmmmm HMMMMMMMMMM??????"

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Post by Yiggity » Sat May 18, 2019 3:31 pm

KissJJM wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 2:48 pm
Been awhile since I watched it but when Gene breaks through the wall in busts through the two security guards doesn't he just push the the one guy and then in the next scene he says he damn near tore my arm off
I love when he busts through the paper thin soda stand that was completely devoid of soda.

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Post by aceshigh » Sat May 18, 2019 3:55 pm

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I've always wondered how Deveroux died and looks so disheveled at the end.
His Lab was broken into by a weird guy who liked to count dots, it was right after KISS escapes. Abner got into an argument with this dot counter over attendance at Magic Mountain. After Abner proved his point time and time again making the dot guy look foolish, Abner started to pull his hair out and then he died. It was ruled death by a moron.

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Post by Talktopete » Sat May 18, 2019 7:54 pm

Velvis wrote:
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:45 am
Why are they wearing those crazy robes when they're lounging by the pool? Why are they even lounging by the pool in full costume to begin with? It doesn't look very relaxing.
That's the coolest part of the movie. Just KISS being KISS hanging out like pals at the pool.

I would go-to the beach if I had a kick ass robe like that.
So would Liberace!!!!!

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Post by Talktopete » Sat May 18, 2019 8:00 pm

KissJJM wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 2:48 pm
Been awhile since I watched it but when Gene breaks through the wall in busts through the two security guards doesn't he just push the the one guy and then in the next scene he says he damn near tore my arm off
For shame, another lying cop.

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Re: KMTPOTP - Inaccuracies, plotholes, and things that don't make sense - Discuss em here

Post by nightwingken » Sat May 18, 2019 9:08 pm

Yiggity wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 3:29 pm
nightwingken wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 2:18 pm
Yiggity wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:58 pm
Abner was able to control Sam, Dirty Dee, Chopper and Snake just by putting transistor things on their necks yet he felt the need to make complete robots of the Kiss members from scratch. Including costumes. Why do all that extra work?
The Transistor may not have been able to work on KISS due to the field of the Talismans? They were not in their human form ...Pretty Mystical
But Abner already had the talismen by that point. He had zapped them with the raygun while saying "hmmm hmmmm HMMMMMMMMMM??????"
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"hmmm hmmmm HMMMMMMMMMM??????"

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Re: KMTPOTP - Inaccuracies, plotholes, and things that don't make sense - Discuss em here

Post by Four-Who-Are-One » Sat May 18, 2019 11:20 pm

Part of the reason KMTPOTP is such a mess is that it was originally meant to be a cartoon series (hence Hanna Barbera's involvement). At least, that's what Gene has said.

And it was much easier to suspend disbelief in '70s cartoon series!

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Re: KMTPOTP - Inaccuracies, plotholes, and things that don't make sense - Discuss em here

Post by Crown Royal » Sun May 19, 2019 11:18 am

Four-Who-Are-One wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 11:20 pm
Part of the reason KMTPOTP is such a mess is that it was originally meant to be a cartoon series (hence Hanna Barbera's involvement). At least, that's what Gene has said.

And it was much easier to suspend disbelief in '70s cartoon series!
I would have loved to have seen KMTPOTP as a cartoon series!

I think it would have harmed them overall even more than the movie did, however. But, as an eleven-year-old at the time, give me the cartoon series any day

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Post by Four-Who-Are-One » Wed May 22, 2019 6:34 pm

Apparently the recent Scooby-Doo crossover movie also started out as an animated series - which Gene has said might yet happen. The theme park is a recurring, er, "theme".

I could get behind the weekly adventures of KISS and their guitar-shaped spaceship (with Kirby-esque psychedelic art).

(Come to think of it: imagine KISS as the special guest on one of those old Scooby-Doo celebrity cartoon movies!)

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Post by Rip & Destroy » Wed May 22, 2019 7:21 pm

'Maybe they went for a swim.'
'Rock and rollers don't bathe.'

Always found this to be an awkward exchange between the guards, maybe because of the delivery of the lines.

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