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Post by Faceless » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:44 am

Music from "The Elder" was an important record for me at the time.

I had come into KISS —and pop/rock music at large— with Dynasty. I had mixed feelings about Unmasked, liking the compositions but not so much liking how most of them were performed. So, when I got Music of "The Elder" I was blown away with the heavy start of The Oath (which was the opening song of the original vinyl version, at least in the version sold in the Netherlands but afaik this was the case for all versions back then). And I liked the soft ballads as well; they were soft like I imagined minstrel songs to be, not in a poppy way like Shandi.

Psychologically, it was also somewhat of a consolation I suppose. I was about 12 years old, and felt very isolated (new school, no friends there, and my old friends went to other schools and we lost contact), and even though I didn't understand English very well, I picked up most of the lyrics and I suppose the theme resonated with me.

Nonetheless this was my last KISS record. I moved on to heavier rock and metal, and later on stoner rock. I think it must have been in my mid 20s that I bought Alive! on CD and listened to KISS again, after well over a decade.

But since then I occasionally have these KISS periods, and got reacquainted with Music from "The Elder" as well. Yet, although I like the new order of the songs, supposedly/allegedly following the story, I really miss The Oath as an opener! So, I decided to make my own edit: I created an abridged version of The Oath (not a fade out: I cut off after the first chorus and edited in the ending after that) and placed that at the beginning. Furthermore, I recently decided to add in Carr Jam (which I took the liberty to rename "Entanglements"; I also considered "The Plot Thickens") and I took this 'new order' as an excuse to create a cover for it.

Of course I can't share the sound files (it'd be nice to share that abridged The Oath but I suppose it's still copyrighted material), but I can at least post that cover. (BTW! The drawing of 'The Fox' in RARO style is heavily based on someone else's creation: a six-faces version of RARO which I saw in a KISS group on Reddit; the poster was not the creator and didn't seem to know who was, but I felt like using it contributes to it being 'canonized' rather than plagiarized. Not that it matters much: I'm not publishing this anywhere else than here.)

Now, what I wonder: am I the only one creating these personalized versions of albums / compilations that go somewhat further than just a collection of songs?


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EDIT: Thanks to Diss, for pointing out I had the title wrong all the time (Music of "The Elder" instead of Music from "The Elder")
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Post by Diggity Dawg » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:13 am

Years ago, I kinda messed around with a "deluxe" version myself. If I remember right, I added "Nowhere To Run" in there somewhere, & tacked the orchestral version of "Black Diamond" from "Kiss My Ass" on the end as kind of an "End Credits" theme deal.

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Post by Faceless » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:33 am

Diggity Dawg wrote:
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Years ago, I kinda messed around with a "deluxe" version myself. If I remember right, I added "Nowhere To Run" in there somewhere, & tacked the orchestral version of "Black Diamond" from "Kiss My Ass" on the end as kind of an "End Credits" theme deal.
Nice one!

It's a pity that so many lyrics of KISS songs deal with sex and love... Apart from being not hugely interesting, it also somewhat limits their conceptual potential, imho. Nonetheless it might be a nice new project to create another 'concept album' compilation.

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Post by redinthesky » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:22 am

How cool would it be if Kiss released a digital 40th anniversary "Deluxe Elder" in two years...heck it'd be great if they did a 40th anniversary Dynasty this year. Kiss blows a lot of good opportunities (like Van Halen also does).

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Post by Australia1980 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:29 am

I made my own custom version of Hot In The Shade a while back. I removed about 5 songs and also put the tracks in a different order. It came out good.

I should spin that this week.

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Post by ManOf1000Faces » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:14 am

I like the cover concept. To me, "Resurrected" would include live versions and demos. Your concept, however, would flow better musically, and be a more enjoyable listen. I never thought about "Nowhere to Run" fitting the concept, but it does. Another addition could be "Partners in Crime". Imagine following "Only You" with "I'm a Legend Tonight" (maybe with some alternate lyrics).

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Post by FlamingRuth » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:50 am

Thanks for your post, Faceless.I liked reading about your background as a fan.
Personally, I can never get enough of these kinds of projects ...taking what we got from Kiss and expanding on their ideas.

Recently,there was a thread on here where a few of us talked about using songs from COS to develop the characters and tell a more complete story of the Elder. I could definitely go with songs from Killers, too.

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Post by ohiostate98 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:17 am

That’s pretty cool!

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Post by Mackemkiss » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:33 am

I love it!
I already love The Elder but your version looks even better.
The only track i dislike is Odessey which doesn't do it for me at all.

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Post by Faceless » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:22 pm

Thanks for the kind feedback folks!
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:14 am
I like the cover concept. To me, "Resurrected" would include live versions and demos. Your concept, however, would flow better musically, and be a more enjoyable listen. I never thought about "Nowhere to Run" fitting the concept, but it does. Another addition could be "Partners in Crime". Imagine following "Only You" with "I'm a Legend Tonight" (maybe with some alternate lyrics).
I agree that 'resurrected' isn't an ideal adjective, but I couldn't think of something else. (Well, the first term that came to mind was 'redeemed', but I thought that was too presumptuous, although to me personally it is a redemption to have it started with the intro of The Oath again.)

I'm not very familiar with anything KISS did after The Elder, except Psycho Circus, and too be honest I haven't gone through it. I just had it somewhere in my mind that there was this Eric Carr outtake somewhere on a later album, and that's what I went after. It'd be nice to make an extended version.

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Thanks for your post, Faceless.I liked reading about your background as a fan.
Personally, I can never get enough of these kinds of projects ...taking what we got from Kiss and expanding on their ideas.

Recently,there was a thread on here where a few of us talked about using songs from COS to develop the characters and tell a more complete story of the Elder. I could definitely go with songs from Killers, too.
That sounds great! Has this come to some sort of a concept yet?

Btw talking about developing characters: I know that behind-the-screens, there was little to no cooperation on Psycho Circus, but I've always felt that this was, at least conceptually, a very (self-)reflective album, a concept maybe not so much in contents (as there is no story told in the lyrics) but in an overarching thematology showcasing the 'four musketeers'. But such wonderings should probably go in another thread.

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I love it!
I already love The Elder but your version looks even better.
The only track i dislike is Odessey which doesn't do it for me at all.
I can't say I dislike it, but it is a bit cringeworthy indeed. Also, musically it might fit better somewhere in the end of the record (on the vinyl release that opened with The Oath, it was came right before I) but on the remaster Just a Boy crossfades into Odyssey in a way that would make it less then ideal to re-separate them (and I couldn't find any cracks-and-hiss free vinyl rips on the internet, and my own copy isn't either). Besides, I somewhat like the crossfade, and lyrically it makes some sort of sense right after Just a Boy (as if the protagonist reached out to some astral / elemental beings, and they're on their way now.

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Post by bassmansteiny » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:59 pm

I used to do mix tapes, of KISS and also of random bands if that counts. I still buy CDs and such but I RIP them onto my computer then onto my phone and bluetooth that to my car stereo, home stereo or listen with headphones. I've done a couple KISS albums and other band albums by mixing up the track order or adding in live versions if I can find them to the Live albums. I used to make covers for my Cassette s and CDs back in the day when I did those but not for the mp3 folders. I got to say what you did is pretty cool, I especially love the cover and back cover!

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Post by Diss » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:09 pm

Pretty cool, but it's "Music FROM The Elder," not "of" The Elder." Unless you did that intentionally.

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Post by Kissologist » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:28 pm

That's a great cover! 8)
While youger, I imagined several versions of The Elder: movie, play, book and sequel :)

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Post by Faceless » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:50 pm

Diss wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:09 pm
Pretty cool, but it's "Music FROM The Elder," not "of" The Elder." Unless you did that intentionally.
Oops! Big mistake that I'll correct asap (which will be tomorrow at earliest).

I suppose that I have somehow relapsed to my 1980s grasp of English when dealing with emotionally loaded stuff... (In Dutch, both from and of would translate as "van" in this particular case, and it took me a while to get some sort of a feeling for the difference).

Thanks for pointing it out!

EDIT: Changed; thanks again!

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Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:59 pm
I used to do mix tapes, of KISS and also of random bands if that counts. I still buy CDs and such but I RIP them onto my computer then onto my phone and bluetooth that to my car stereo, home stereo or listen with headphones. I've done a couple KISS albums and other band albums by mixing up the track order or adding in live versions if I can find them to the Live albums. I used to make covers for my Cassette s and CDs back in the day when I did those but not for the mp3 folders. I got to say what you did is pretty cool, I especially love the cover and back cover!
Thanks. Sounds familiar! I also rip my new CDs asap, and 99 out of 100 times that I listen to my music it is through either my PC or mp3 player (or tablet via a wireless speaker). I also plug in my mp3 player in the car because its cd player died some years ago, and there's no reason to spend money and time on having it fixed.

Back in the days my friends and I exchanged tapes and later CD-Rs, indeed with often elaborate home-made covers! Too bad CD-Rs turned out not to be as time-resistant as we all thought (I still have a few that still work, over 15 years old). I also used clips from conversations from movies as intros to songs. I can't recall I ever used a KISS track though; none of my friends would have appreciated that anyway, but it also never crossed my mind. In hindsight, a weird song like Strange Ways might have fitted in somewhere.

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Post by Diss » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:41 am

Faceless wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:50 pm
Diss wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:09 pm
Pretty cool, but it's "Music FROM The Elder," not "of" The Elder." Unless you did that intentionally.
Oops! Big mistake that I'll correct asap (which will be tomorrow at earliest).

I suppose that I have somehow relapsed to my 1980s grasp of English when dealing with emotionally loaded stuff... (In Dutch, both from and of would translate as "van" in this particular case, and it took me a while to get some sort of a feeling for the difference).

Thanks for pointing it out!

EDIT: Changed; thanks again!
No problem. I actually prefer "of" the Elder, as it makes it sound more mystical. They used "From" at the time because they thought there would definitely be a movie. That of course never happened.

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Diss wrote:
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[...]because they thought there would definitely be a movie. That of course never happened.
Makes me think... wouldn't it be a fun fan-project to make this movie become a reality? :D

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Post by redinthesky » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:03 am

within wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:54 am
Diss wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:41 am
[...]because they thought there would definitely be a movie. That of course never happened.
Makes me think... wouldn't it be a fun fan-project to make this movie become a reality? :D
:P

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Post by within » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:04 am

Btw I like your general idea about the cover and I also just found this picture here, which somehow fits to your idea with those faces ;) if only Paul's hairband wasn't purple, it would be quite "in the style" of your idea somehow :)

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Post by Faceless » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:34 am

redinthesky wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:03 am
within wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:54 am
Diss wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:41 am
[...]because they thought there would definitely be a movie. That of course never happened.
Makes me think... wouldn't it be a fun fan-project to make this movie become a reality? :D
:P
I suppose you're joking because fully aware (as I suspect most of you who are way more into this than I am) but there is an actual group of people dedicated to this. I visited their web site yesterday (and realized I had seen it before, but forgot); last update was from around 5 years ago.

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Post by within » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:36 am

To be honest I wasn't aware of that project, however it doesn't surprise me that I'm not the first one who thought of this :D could you post the link of that website?

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within wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:04 am
Btw I like your general idea about the cover and I also just found this picture here, which somehow fits to your idea with those faces ;) if only Paul's hairband wasn't purple, it would be quite "in the style" of your idea somehow :)

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The color scheme would match, but I dislike these outfits (and did so at the time as well).

The idea with the RARO faces turned inside out was more to emulate the cherubim / angelic animals like they are featured in the tarot card The World (or Universe):

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Post by ManOf1000Faces » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:33 pm

within wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:04 am
Btw I like your general idea about the cover and I also just found this picture here, which somehow fits to your idea with those faces ;) if only Paul's hairband wasn't purple, it would be quite "in the style" of your idea somehow :)

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That definitely should've been the back cover. Keep the front as is, to preserve the mystery, but put the band on the back.

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I made my own custom version of Hot In The Shade a while back. I removed about 5 songs and also put the tracks in a different order. It came out good.

I should spin that this week.
I'll always love HITS. I do think it'd have been better with a few of the weaker songs off it, but I'll always love that album. Your version is the better one I'm sure!

Going back a bit here, I believe someone here (or who used to be here) tinkered with the sound of HITS a whiles ago and "released" his version for anyone who wanted to listen? I didn't get a chance, but I remember some posters saying they really liked it.

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within wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:36 am
To be honest I wasn't aware of that project, however it doesn't surprise me that I'm not the first one who thought of this :D could you post the link of that website?
www.ElderTheMovie.com

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Post by AstroWarped » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:54 pm

Instead of the fans trying to piece this Rock Opera together, the actual band should fix up, update and release the entire full version of "The Elder", themselves and at least perform a one off show of it, which then can be released as an album and bluray/4k products!

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Post by bassmansteiny » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:01 am

Faceless wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:27 pm
bassmansteiny wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:59 pm
I used to do mix tapes, of KISS and also of random bands if that counts. I still buy CDs and such but I RIP them onto my computer then onto my phone and bluetooth that to my car stereo, home stereo or listen with headphones. I've done a couple KISS albums and other band albums by mixing up the track order or adding in live versions if I can find them to the Live albums. I used to make covers for my Cassette s and CDs back in the day when I did those but not for the mp3 folders. I got to say what you did is pretty cool, I especially love the cover and back cover!
Thanks. Sounds familiar! I also rip my new CDs asap, and 99 out of 100 times that I listen to my music it is through either my PC or mp3 player (or tablet via a wireless speaker). I also plug in my mp3 player in the car because its cd player died some years ago, and there's no reason to spend money and time on having it fixed.

Back in the days my friends and I exchanged tapes and later CD-Rs, indeed with often elaborate home-made covers! Too bad CD-Rs turned out not to be as time-resistant as we all thought (I still have a few that still work, over 15 years old). I also used clips from conversations from movies as intros to songs. I can't recall I ever used a KISS track though; none of my friends would have appreciated that anyway, but it also never crossed my mind. In hindsight, a weird song like Strange Ways might have fitted in somewhere.
Plus it is much easier than back in the day when you had to carry like 3 binders of CDs with you or two boxes of Cassettes, lol. I remember those days. Plus when I was in college back in like 1994/95/96, I had the Cassette adapter to my tape player and a Sony CD Walkman. So it was even more cumbersome, haha. That is one of the reasons I started doing mix tapes and CDs. Still, would have a bunch of those. Mp3, may not have the sound quality but it is much easier and someone can set in the front passenger seat.

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Post by FlamingRuth » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:19 am

Faceless wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:22 pm
Thanks for the kind feedback folks!
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:50 am
Thanks for your post, Faceless.I liked reading about your background as a fan.
Personally, I can never get enough of these kinds of projects ...taking what we got from Kiss and expanding on their ideas.

Recently,there was a thread on here where a few of us talked about using songs from COS to develop the characters and tell a more complete story of the Elder. I could definitely go with songs from Killers, too.
That sounds great! Has this come to some sort of a concept yet?

Btw talking about developing characters: I know that behind-the-screens, there was little to no cooperation on Psycho Circus, but I've always felt that this was, at least conceptually, a very (self-)reflective album, a concept maybe not so much in contents (as there is no story told in the lyrics) but in an overarching thematology showcasing the 'four musketeers'. But such wonderings should probably go in another thread.
Sorry I took so long to get back to this. I was looking for the thread where we talked about this COS/Elder combo, but I can't find it and the search feature here doesn't like me. :(

Anyway, no, we never settled on a concept--just tossed around ideas & song sequences for fun.
For example, I think Rain is a good song for expressing The Boy's confusion & desperation ..."Tell me what you want me to be.../ Tell me what you want me to hear...". And then Only You could be the answer .

I get what you mean about PC. It's not really a "concept" album, but the songs are sort of held together by the theme of working & struggling together to succeed.

Great thoughts & reflections in this thread.
I hope you keep going forward with your project. 8)

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Post by Faceless » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 am

bassmansteiny wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:01 am
Mp3, may not have the sound quality but it is much easier and someone can set in the front passenger seat.
In my opinion cq. according to my listening standards, Mp3 is fine, quality-wise, if you stick to high bitrates: 320 or 256 kbps, or VBR. Of course, when you download something, or get it from a friend, you're never totally sure whether the rips are okay, but when you rip your own CDs it should be fine. I rip mine with Exact Audio Copy: VBR with some additional command that I got from a tutorial (and maybe by now it is the default setting; I'm not even sure anymore because I've installed it on at least about 8 different computers):

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%islow%-V 5%islow%%ishigh%-V 2%ishigh% --vbr-new %source% %dest%
Whatever it means. Quality is good (at least to my ears) and a CD doesn't take that much space (e.g. Destroyer Resurrected is 48.4MB).

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Post by Faceless » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:37 am

FlamingRuth wrote:
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I hope you keep going forward with your project. 8)
Thanks for the info and thoughts! The project in my first post is just that, in the strictest sense. In earlier years, I would have printed the booklet, burned the cd (and also printed a label), but our printer died, and I'm not inclined to buy a new one tbh. And I play most of my music on my computer anyway, so it's not even necessary. A physical copy would be nice though.


In a wider sense, it is indeed cool to expand on the concept, and see if other songs would fit!! My personal knowledge of KISS more or less ends with the Elder though (obviously I know a bunch of newer songs, but they're not ingrained in my soul as the older songs).


On a —relevant!— side note: I learned that there are KISS comics, and a series dedicated to The Elder!

The Elder Vol 01: World Without Sun
Kiss: The Elder Vol. 2: Odyssey

I suppose I owe it to myself to buy these! But does someone here now whether they are any good?

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Post by bassmansteiny » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 am

Faceless wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 am
bassmansteiny wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:01 am
Mp3, may not have the sound quality but it is much easier and someone can set in the front passenger seat.
In my opinion cq. according to my listening standards, Mp3 is fine, quality-wise, if you stick to high bitrates: 320 or 256 kbps, or VBR. Of course, when you download something, or get it from a friend, you're never totally sure whether the rips are okay, but when you rip your own CDs it should be fine. I rip mine with Exact Audio Copy: VBR with some additional command that I got from a tutorial (and maybe by now it is the default setting; I'm not even sure anymore because I've installed it on at least about 8 different computers):

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%islow%-V 5%islow%%ishigh%-V 2%ishigh% --vbr-new %source% %dest%
Whatever it means. Quality is good (at least to my ears) and a CD doesn't take that much space (e.g. Destroyer Resurrected is 48.4MB).
I will need to check out the program you mentioned. I mean I have no issues with what I've ripened on to the computer then transferred over to my phones card. Hey if I can make it even better though that is great.

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Re: Music of "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by Australia1980 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:04 pm

redinthesky wrote:
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I made my own custom version of Hot In The Shade a while back. I removed about 5 songs and also put the tracks in a different order. It came out good.

I should spin that this week.
I'll always love HITS. I do think it'd have been better with a few of the weaker songs off it, but I'll always love that album. Your version is the better one I'm sure!

Going back a bit here, I believe someone here (or who used to be here) tinkered with the sound of HITS a whiles ago and "released" his version for anyone who wanted to listen? I didn't get a chance, but I remember some posters saying they really liked it.
I just was checking out my CD, I actually lopped off 6 songs! I did some tricks too, I remember doing a fade-in on the King Of Hearts guitar intro, and that it worked nicely. I also think I completely got rid of the Rise To It intro

Here is my version

Rise To It
Betrayed
Hide Your Heart
The Street Giveth
King Of Hearts
Cadillac Dreams
Silver Spoon
Little Caesar
Forever

And here is the original for comparison. Looks like I changed up the order quite a bit

Rise To It
Betrayed
Hide Your Heart
Prisoner Of Love
Read My Body
Love's A Slap In The Face
Forever
Silver Spoon
Cadillac Dreams
King Of Hearts
The Street Giveth And The Street Taketh Away
You Love Me To Hate You
Somewhere Between Heaven And Hell
Little Caesar
Boomerang

I'd be intersted to hear this fan remix version of HITS that you speak of. Maybe B5Erik was the one who did it?

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Re: Music from "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by Faceless » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:10 am

I used the work-in-progress files of my The Elder cover for a more generic sampler (which was why I originally dissected the RARO cover):

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The compilation itself contains no edits, except that I used the Double Platinum version of Detroit Rock City (without the long intro of the car taking off), but mixed it over in its final seconds to the Destroyer version, so that the car crash and the bridge to King of the Night Time World remain intact.

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Re: Music from "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by Four-Who-Are-One » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:27 am

If I may say so, images of the band should not appear on the cover because it detracts from the whole "soundtrack" concept. They're supposed to keep their distance, providing the music but not "participating" - like with Queen's Flash Gordon.

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Re: Music from "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by Faceless » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:45 am

Four-Who-Are-One wrote:
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If I may say so, images of the band should not appear on the cover because it detracts from the whole "soundtrack" concept. They're supposed to keep their distance, providing the music but not "participating" - like with Queen's Flash Gordon.
I respectfully disagree, because that's why I made them black and white, and outside of the inner picture*, which is the story they tell.

*(This also serves a practical purpose: I couldn't find a version of the original front over without the KISS logo and title on it, which I find rather random and ugly in the original. My border masks the logo and title in the original cover.)

But there's of course no reason to come to final agreement on this :) Any opinion is as valid as any other.

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Re: Music from "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by nightwingken » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:29 pm

Interesting idea

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Re: Music from "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by within » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:18 pm

Just for the case you want to have another go (not implying that you should), I played a little bit with it and removed the text :D

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Re: Music from "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by Bing80 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:28 pm

Faceless wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:10 am
I used the work-in-progress files of my The Elder cover for a more generic sampler (which was why I originally dissected the RARO cover):

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The compilation itself contains no edits, except that I used the Double Platinum version of Detroit Rock City (without the long intro of the car taking off), but mixed it over in its final seconds to the Destroyer version, so that the car crash and the bridge to King of the Night Time World remain intact.
Attracted to this cover! But do you know what...even more attracted to the songs you outlined. Could miss a few but over this limited period I'm so grateful for the multitude of gems highlighted. Bombs and flamethrower are great and add to the package but give me the music any day. This, yet again, reminded me why I love the musical history of this band.

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Re: Music of "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by Red_Walrus » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:51 am

Faceless wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:33 am
Diggity Dawg wrote:
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Years ago, I kinda messed around with a "deluxe" version myself. If I remember right, I added "Nowhere To Run" in there somewhere, & tacked the orchestral version of "Black Diamond" from "Kiss My Ass" on the end as kind of an "End Credits" theme deal.
Nice one!

It's a pity that so many lyrics of KISS songs deal with sex and love... Apart from being not hugely interesting, it also somewhat limits their conceptual potential, imho. Nonetheless it might be a nice new project to create another 'concept album' compilation.
pretty cool ...are these your only two? please post more

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Re: Music from "The Elder", Resurrected: an, admittedly somewhat silly, fan project

Post by Faceless » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:22 pm

within wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:18 pm
Just for the case you want to have another go (not implying that you should), I played a little bit with it and removed the text :D

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Wow, good work!! Especially on the left side where the KISS logo used to be; it looks absolutely like it's the original foto. On the right side I perceive (or imagine to perceive) a mild difference in glossiness and contrast, but that can be adjusted, or masked with a new title.

I'm happy with my result as shown in post #1 of this thread, but if I'd had the version you made, it would have turned out quite differently! (Probably more conventional to be honest, but I actually wanted to make the KISS logo like it was crafted into the woodwork. That might have come of cheesy or shoddy, but who knows.)

If I would for some reason create another The Elder project, I'll most probably use yout work (and credit you, for what it's worth).

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