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X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by soeuropean » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:54 am

Bruce Kulick was producing demos for the Electric Angels in 1988, who had a song called "X in Sex."

That's quite the coincidence.


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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by ypke » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:07 am

Ofcourse Paul heard it and went with it. Question is: Did those guys get paid for the use of the title?

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Post by highvoltage1969 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:17 am

ypke wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:07 am
Ofcourse Paul heard it and went with it. Question is: Did those guys get paid for the use of the title?
Doubt it.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by Planet Caravan » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:41 am

Terrible song and yet its still better than the Paul Stanley version :lol:

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by battra » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:50 am

soeuropean wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:54 am
Bruce Kulick was producing demos for the Electric Angels in 1988, who had a song called "X in Sex."

That's quite the coincidence.


Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob-DmIbibZg
And Black Diamond is a rip off of the title Brown Sugar.

But at least Black Diamond is a great song.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by battra » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:51 am

ypke wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:07 am
Ofcourse Paul heard it and went with it. Question is: Did those guys get paid for the use of the title?
Is that a thing?

I mean, being paid for using the same title?

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Post by FlamingRuth » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:51 am

ypke wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:07 am
Ofcourse Paul heard it and went with it. Question is: Did those guys get paid for the use of the title?
I wish Paul had never heard it then.
One of my least favorite Kiss songs of all time.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by soeuropean » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:57 am

Big difference between changing brown sugar to black diamond and using some weird original term like “X in sex”. Probably explains why Paul always acted weird when asked what let’s put the x in sex meant. He had no idea because he didn’t come up with it.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by savage_dreams » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:57 am

of course he ripped them off, because it would be completely unbelievably that 2 rock bands in of all decades, the 80s, would find a connection between the letter "X" and the word sex. :roll:

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by soeuropean » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:58 am

In the same year, with their lead guitarist producing the demo of the first song? Jesus Christ.

The fuck does “x in sex” even mean? It’s so obscure as to mean absolutely nothing; and you’re saying that just randomly Paul and some band that Paul’s lead guitarist PRODUCED A DEMO OF THE SONG just happened to independently create the same bizarre oddball phrase? Is THAT what you’re saying?

As opposed to Paul hearing the existing song and deciding to borrow the phrase? Doesn’t that make a bit more sense to you on a logical level?

Occam’s razor bro.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by vdojaq » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:31 am

I would tend to believe "Let's put the X in Sex" would mean porno style sex.

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Post by ashorama » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:42 am

soeuropean wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:58 am
In the same year, with their lead guitarist producing the demo of the first song? Jesus Christ.

The fuck does “x in sex” even mean? It’s so obscure as to mean absolutely nothing;
I think it's obvious that he wants to make their lovemaking "x-rated," not PG. He isn't interested in straight missionary sex. He wants to cream on her tits. You know, all the basic porn shit.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by Mr. Kiss » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:50 am

An absolutely AWFUL song. Paul clearly (and desperately) tried to rewrite Robert Palmer's Addicted To Love---- and failed miserably. :roll: ... :oops:

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by battra » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:24 am

soeuropean wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:58 am
In the same year, with their lead guitarist producing the demo of the first song? Jesus Christ.

The fuck does “x in sex” even mean? It’s so obscure as to mean absolutely nothing; and you’re saying that just randomly Paul and some band that Paul’s lead guitarist PRODUCED A DEMO OF THE SONG just happened to independently create the same bizarre oddball phrase? Is THAT what you’re saying?

As opposed to Paul hearing the existing song and deciding to borrow the phrase? Doesn’t that make a bit more sense to you on a logical level?

Occam’s razor bro.
Movies featuring sexy time fo'real are X rated movies.

Put the X rated in the sexy time.

It also rhymes.

It's also an exceptionally embarrassing song.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by Deuce1231 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:46 am

You cannot copyright a song title.

Think about it.

There's a song called "Tomorrow" from the musical Annie that has nothing to do with the song "Tomorrow" on Unmasked.

Or Snowblind by Black Sabbath, Styx and Ace. Three different songs, same title.

https://www.thelaw.com/law/are-song-tit ... k-law.317/

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by WinnieWincent » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:03 am

Rock Hard is a better song. X in Sex is just pure sleaze especially with the synth sounds. Inspiration comes in many forms

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by battra » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:05 am

Deuce1231 wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:46 am
You cannot copyright a song title.

Think about it.

There's a song called "Tomorrow" from the musical Annie that has nothing to do with the song "Tomorrow" on Unmasked.

Or Snowblind by Black Sabbath, Styx and Ace. Three different songs, same title.

https://www.thelaw.com/law/are-song-tit ... k-law.317/
Wait.

Styx has a song called snowblind?

Is it about the same thing Ace and Sabbath sang about?

NOTE: I happen to have that Styx album...hahaha.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by kissthat » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:28 am

I thought the guys from Kingdom Come claimed that they showed Paul a song titled "She Put the X in Sex" and he stole it from them ? Anyone else remember that ?

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Post by Shawn71 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:43 am

savage_dreams wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:57 am
of course he ripped them off, because it would be completely unbelievably that 2 rock bands in of all decades, the 80s, would find a connection between the letter "X" and the word sex. :roll:
This. :D

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by OHKISSFAN » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:57 am

:roll:
Man, some of the 'usual suspects' try realllllllyyy hard to put the band down...don't they?

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by ypke » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:37 pm

battra wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:51 am
ypke wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:07 am
Ofcourse Paul heard it and went with it. Question is: Did those guys get paid for the use of the title?
Is that a thing?

I mean, being paid for using the same title?
I'm not sure, but I believe Lou Reed wrote two lines of lyric for A World Without Heroes and he got credit for it. I know that was also marketing, but still.

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Post by GACatmandu » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:46 pm

I happen to like both Let's Put The X In Sex, and (You Make Me) Rock Hard
I think both songs are great. I have never understood fans taking this band and their lyrical content way to seriously. These songs are just fun, and that's all they are.
That being said I am sure Paul took the idea from the band above for the song title.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by battra » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:49 pm

GACatmandu wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:46 pm
I happen to like both Let's Put The X In Sex, and (You Make Me) Rock Hard
I think both songs are great. I have never understood fans taking this band and their lyrical content way to seriously. These songs are just fun, and that's all they are.
That being said I am sure Paul took the idea from the band above for the song title.
I've always said there's a limit.

To quote Spinal Tap...it's such a fine line between clever and stupid.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by Thunderous_Lay » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:54 pm

GACatmandu wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:46 pm
I happen to like both Let's Put The X In Sex, and (You Make Me) Rock Hard
I think both songs are great. I have never understood fans taking this band and their lyrical content way to seriously. These songs are just fun, and that's all they are.
Some folks consider themselves to be smarter or more intellectual that most, when, in fact, they are as joyless, humourless and pretentious as both Gene and Paul are nowadays.

On my part, both songs make me rock. Hard.

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Post by Nately120 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:14 pm

soeuropean wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:58 am
In the same year, with their lead guitarist producing the demo of the first song? Jesus Christ.

The fuck does “x in sex” even mean? It’s so obscure as to mean absolutely nothing; and you’re saying that just randomly Paul and some band that Paul’s lead guitarist PRODUCED A DEMO OF THE SONG just happened to independently create the same bizarre oddball phrase? Is THAT what you’re saying?

As opposed to Paul hearing the existing song and deciding to borrow the phrase? Doesn’t that make a bit more sense to you on a logical level?

Occam’s razor bro.
Would you rather put the X in SEX or the T&A in TANGO?
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You cannot copyright a song title.

Think about it.

There's a song called "Tomorrow" from the musical Annie that has nothing to do with the song "Tomorrow" on Unmasked.

Or Snowblind by Black Sabbath, Styx and Ace. Three different songs, same title.

https://www.thelaw.com/law/are-song-tit ... k-law.317/
Right...it just seems a bit more eye-roll-worthy when the song title is the same and it isn't quite as generic a term or title. There is a Bee Gee's song from 1968 or so called "Black Diamond" that I know off the top of my head.

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by John Shaft » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:28 pm

On a slightly different note, Electric Angels were one heckuva band! The rhythm section came from Candy and Electric Angels eventually morphed into The Loveless. Candy's "Whatever Happened To Fun", Electric Angels S/T and The Loveless' "Tales Of Gin & Salvation" are all Power Pop masterpieces and worth seeking out if you can find them!

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Post by b2b2b » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:27 pm

https://www.kiss-related-recordings.nl/ ... ngels.html:
Electric Angels is formed in 1987 from the ashes of Candy (with Gilby Clarke), Los Angeles. In April 1988, RCA Records sent them into the studio with Kiss guitarist, Bruce Kulick to record a 3-song demo that included “Rattlesnake Kisses”, “X in Sex” and “Last Girl on Earth” that stirred up quite a bit of record label interest. Bruce apparently shared the tape with his band mates and a few months later Kiss released a song titled “Let’s Put the X in Sex”. Kiss maintains that they never heard of Electric Angels, let alone their song and that “Let’s Put the X in Sex” was penned by Paul Stanley and Desmond Child, however, the bass lines and some of the lyrics are very similar to those in the Electric Angels’ song. The band moved to New York where they got signed to Atlantic Records, which label released their self titled debut in 1990.

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Post by Nellcote71 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:35 pm

When u still - steal diamonds, not turds

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Post by Mr Slow » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:21 pm

battra wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:51 am
ypke wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:07 am
Ofcourse Paul heard it and went with it. Question is: Did those guys get paid for the use of the title?
Is that a thing?

I mean, being paid for using the same title?
Deep Purple have a song called “Lick It Up” and AC/DC have a song called “War Machine” which both came long after the KISS songs. So I’m gonna say it’s not a thing. 8)

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Post by Eddie Van Hazel » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:47 pm

I remember the Electric Angels opened some shows for Ace on the "Trouble Walkin'" tour.

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Post by stickyfinger » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:06 pm

Of course you don't have to pay for using the same song title. It wouldn't make any sense. And the world is full of songs with the same title.

But I don't doubt for a second that Paul might have gotten the idea for Let's Put the X in Sex from this song.

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Post by DauntingTask » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:41 pm

vdojaq wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:31 am
I would tend to believe "Let's put the X in Sex" would mean porno style sex.
Just ask x-pornographer Michael from Three Sides :lol:

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Post by jking3002 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:44 pm

Wait wait wait... maybe I’m not understanding you guys correctly but it seems like maybe most in this thread aren’t picking up on the whole “ex” (as in ex-girlfriend, ex-wife) vs “x” thing that the song has going on.

“I knew her body but I couldn’t see her face...something in that photograph reminded me of you...she said she knew my secrets...then I saw those black lace panties and I knew that it was you...”

IMO as far as silly sex songs by Kiss, it’s actually one of the more clever, title and all. The stalker “ex” storyline is pretty fun.

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Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:40 am

soeuropean wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:57 am
Big difference between changing brown sugar to black diamond and using some weird original term like “X in sex”. Probably explains why Paul always acted weird when asked what let’s put the x in sex meant. He had no idea because he didn’t come up with it.
The meaning is put pepper in your bedroom... put X (something forbidden or obscure) in your sex story...

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Post by Five5iss » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:53 am

DauntingTask wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:41 pm
vdojaq wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:31 am
I would tend to believe "Let's put the X in Sex" would mean porno style sex.
Just ask x-pornographer Michael from Three Sides :lol:
I heard that Michael Brandvold "sucked" in the Adult Entertainment business too!

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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by highvoltage1969 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:01 am

soeuropean wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:58 am
In the same year, with their lead guitarist producing the demo of the first song? Jesus Christ.

The fuck does “x in sex” even mean? It’s so obscure as to mean absolutely nothing; and you’re saying that just randomly Paul and some band that Paul’s lead guitarist PRODUCED A DEMO OF THE SONG just happened to independently create the same bizarre oddball phrase? Is THAT what you’re saying?

As opposed to Paul hearing the existing song and deciding to borrow the phrase? Doesn’t that make a bit more sense to you on a logical level?

Occam’s razor bro.
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Post by Thunderous_Lay » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:02 am

vdojaq wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:31 am
I would tend to believe "Let's put the X in Sex" would mean porno style sex.
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Re: X in Sex, predates KISS song

Post by jconnors » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:46 am

The mid to late 80's were an embarrassing time to be a Kiss fan.

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