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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Erwin » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:02 pm

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Solid album. I can easily live with it being the last proper studio album.
Some really good songs on Monster 8)

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Under The Rose » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:21 pm

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A better bookend than PC would have been.
Let’s see. Which album has the better songs? PC. Which has the better vocals? PC. Which features performances by the original 4? PC. Which has the better cover? PC.

Monster literally has no merits whatsoever.

Don’t get the hate for PC. Yeah it wasn’t all the original lineup, but niether was COTN and people cream their pants about that album.

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Post by Hi I'm Witz » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:23 pm

Under The Rose wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:21 pm
Admin wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:12 pm
A better bookend than PC would have been.
Let’s see. Which album has the better songs? PC. Which has the better vocals? PC. Which features performances by the original 4? PC. Which has the better cover? PC.

Monster literally has no merits whatsoever.

Don’t get the hate for PC. Yeah it wasn’t all the original lineup, but niether was COTN and people cream their pants about that album.
You know, I found a vinyl copy of Psycho Circus at Barnes and Noble the other day. While I thought the lenticular cover was cool on CD back in the day, seeing it on a full sized LP I was blown away! It really is a badass cover in full size!

Look the album has warts, no question! But it also has some real gems! Sonically it completely destroys Monster! I just wish Peter had a better song to sing and some of the tracks that didnt make the final cut were included. I made a custom version of PC where I mixed the setlist up and added and took away some songs. Here's what my version looks like..

Side 1:

1. Psycho Circus
2. Sweet And Dirty Love (Demo)
3. Into the Void
4. I Pledge Allegiance...
5. Within

Side 2.

6. Its My Life
7. You Wanted The Best
8. In Your Face
9. Dreamin'
10. Journey of 1000 Years

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Eddie Van Hazel » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:53 pm

I dug "Monster". I liked it just as much as I dug "SB".

Just wasn't crazy about the production.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by sagedrummer » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:16 am

Monster and to a lesser degree Sonic Boom IMHO are horrible records. Possibly the worst rock records a band on their level have put out. Their area few passable songs but I can’t even get through a few songs.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:30 am

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I LOVE MONSTER. I think its the best album they have done since "Lick it up". Yea, better than Revenge. Though I will admit the song "Unholy" is better than anything off Monster.
This. And LIU got at least 3 fillers in it, Monster got 0.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:32 am

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Monster is a terrible album. The last three studio albums are horrible. Psycho Circus, the song is, the only worthehile track these last 20+ years. There are better songs on Gene's and Paul's studio albums (Asshole and Live To Win).

The last OK KISS album is Carnival of Souls. The last great KISS album is Revenge. All of ocourse only my two cents.
Agreed 100%
Yes, I believe that is true. Put COS next to the last three albums. COS wins by a landslide. Bruce is on fire. Put COS next to Revenge. Nuclear blast in Revenge's favor. Bruce is magical. That's basicly it, right?
In my opinion, COS is way better than Revenge, songwise.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:34 am

KissKing73 wrote:
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To end an album, I much prefer Say Yeah to Take Me Down Below....
Monster ends with Last chance... that is a great ending.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:36 am

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Gene said it was their best since Destroyer!
Songwise (about writing and not about producing) it probably is.
With a great producer, considering that the worst (of 13) song off M is better than the worst (of 9) song off D, probably Gene was wrong ;)

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Tito » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:41 am

alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:36 am
Four-Who-Are-One wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:23 pm
Gene said it was their best since Destroyer!
Songwise (about writing and not about producing) it probably is.
Opinions are like... that; to each their own, etc. But wow! Just WOW!! :shock:

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:44 am

Tito wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:41 am
alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:36 am
Four-Who-Are-One wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:23 pm
Gene said it was their best since Destroyer!
Songwise (about writing and not about producing) it probably is.
Opinions are like... that; to each their own, etc. But wow! Just WOW!! :shock:
Take the songs off Monster.
Get them for their songwriting, not their production, sound and mixing. So you can imagine those songs worked by Kramer or Ezrin.
Rate them and choose the worst one, or also worse two.
Confront them with the worst song off every Kiss album.
The Monster's worse 2 songs are better than at least the worst song, maybe two worse songs, off every Kiss album.
Yes or no? :)

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Tito » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:01 am

alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:44 am
Tito wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:41 am
alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:36 am
Four-Who-Are-One wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:23 pm
Gene said it was their best since Destroyer!
Songwise (about writing and not about producing) it probably is.
Opinions are like... that; to each their own, etc. But wow! Just WOW!! :shock:
Take the songs off Monster.
Get them for their songwriting, not their production, sound and mixing. So you can imagine those songs worked by Kramer or Ezrin.
Rate them and choose the worst one, or also worse two.
Confront them with the worst song off every Kiss album.
The Monster's worse 2 songs are better than at least the worst song, maybe two worse songs, off every Kiss album.
Yes or no? :)
Could well be, but my criteria for rating albums is a bit wider than which one's worst songs are less bad. :wink:

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Tito » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:04 am

And even then, no. While that's a funny way to look at it, the two worst songs from COTN are not worse than anything off Monster.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by metaldad » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:30 am

alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:32 am
TheFirst22Years wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:28 am
UltraCynic wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:38 am
TheFirst22Years wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:12 pm
Monster is a terrible album. The last three studio albums are horrible. Psycho Circus, the song is, the only worthehile track these last 20+ years. There are better songs on Gene's and Paul's studio albums (Asshole and Live To Win).

The last OK KISS album is Carnival of Souls. The last great KISS album is Revenge. All of ocourse only my two cents.
Agreed 100%
Yes, I believe that is true. Put COS next to the last three albums. COS wins by a landslide. Bruce is on fire. Put COS next to Revenge. Nuclear blast in Revenge's favor. Bruce is magical. That's basicly it, right?
In my opinion, COS is way better than Revenge, songwise.
Yep
Revenge has to be the most overrated album with the Kiss Army

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:24 am

Tito wrote:
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And even then, no. While that's a funny way to look at it, the two worst songs from COTN are not worse than anything off Monster.
Remember that COTN has 9 songs vs 13 (so probably you should compare the best 9 of Monster)... and then, Keep me comin and RNR hell in my list are at least par to the worse Monster's songs.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by KissKing73 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:35 am

alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:34 am
KissKing73 wrote:
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To end an album, I much prefer Say Yeah to Take Me Down Below....
Monster ends with Last chance... that is a great ending.
Sorry you are correct, but still prefer Say Yeah....Last Chance is probably one of my least fave tracks on that album.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by alexmai » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:38 am

KissKing73 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:35 am
alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:34 am
KissKing73 wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:55 am
To end an album, I much prefer Say Yeah to Take Me Down Below....
Monster ends with Last chance... that is a great ending.
Sorry you are correct, but still prefer Say Yeah....Last Chance is probably one of my least fave tracks on that album.
You can vote on the Poll in this forum about it ;)

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by KissKing73 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:39 am

alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:38 am
KissKing73 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:35 am
alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:34 am
KissKing73 wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:55 am
To end an album, I much prefer Say Yeah to Take Me Down Below....
Monster ends with Last chance... that is a great ending.
Sorry you are correct, but still prefer Say Yeah....Last Chance is probably one of my least fave tracks on that album.
You can vote on the Poll in this forum about it ;)
I shall! :)

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by TheFirst22Years » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:39 am

alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:32 am
TheFirst22Years wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:28 am
UltraCynic wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:38 am
TheFirst22Years wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:12 pm
Monster is a terrible album. The last three studio albums are horrible. Psycho Circus, the song is, the only worthehile track these last 20+ years. There are better songs on Gene's and Paul's studio albums (Asshole and Live To Win).

The last OK KISS album is Carnival of Souls. The last great KISS album is Revenge. All of ocourse only my two cents.
Agreed 100%
Yes, I believe that is true. Put COS next to the last three albums. COS wins by a landslide. Bruce is on fire. Put COS next to Revenge. Nuclear blast in Revenge's favor. Bruce is magical. That's basicly it, right?
In my opinion, COS is way better than Revenge, songwise.
Good for you even though I don't agree. But at least someone else here, like me, likes Carnival of Souls.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by woodworm001 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:20 am

I like Monster though I do agree about Paul's production. Saying that they had a strong producer for Psycho Circus and it didn't improve the songs much, aside from the title track I'd take both SB and Monster over it.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Gona » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:20 pm

Unlistenable due the shitty muddy production

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by battra » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:31 pm

alexmai wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:44 am
Take the songs off Monster.
Get them for their songwriting, not their production, sound and mixing. So you can imagine those songs worked by Kramer or Ezrin.
Rate them and choose the worst one, or also worse two.
Confront them with the worst song off every Kiss album.
The Monster's worse 2 songs are better than at least the worst song, maybe two worse songs, off every Kiss album.
Yes or no? :)
Yes.

But the fact that Back To The Stone Age is better than She's So European or All American Man, Great Expectations, and Ladies In Waiting isn't anything I'd be writing home about. =/

Monster has no overtly bad songs, but it's got very little in the way of standouts. Hell or Hallelujah and Freak are the standouts for me on that one.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by parasiitti » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:17 pm

KIDGEO3 wrote:
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I still enjoy the album
I have always enjoyed "Monster".

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Much Too Soon » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:02 pm

Psycho Circus, Within, IPATTSORAR, Into the Void are IMHO the strongest 4 song opening of any Kiss Album. Add Journey of 1000 Years, and In Your Face and again IMHO PS is one of their best ever. I’ve heard a couple boot songs from those sessions I’d have used instead of some of the other songs chosen.

I love it.

8.0 of 10

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Much Too Soon » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Monster is ok. I have an old graphic equalizer and it just seems all the songs showed the same levels which jibe with my ears. All the songs just sound the same to me.

6.0 of 10 IMHO

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Trance » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:13 pm

Sonic Boom

“Modern Day Delilah” is the last great KISS song and Thayer’s best solo.

Monster hurts my ears.

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Re: "Monster" is a fine swan song

Post by Much Too Soon » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:52 pm

Sonic Boom 7.0 of 10. I like MDD and love Say Yeah. I think Say Yeah is top 10 Kiss.

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