elleneff wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:09 pmYou have heard Aces recent playing?sugardaddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:49 am Does the Ace Frehley band really need 3 guitarists?!?!?! I sure hope not.
He needs 3 guitars covering him
Ace will be using Gene's solo band as the new Ace Frehley backing band
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I hope podcasts interview the three members of Ace's band.
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It's true.Nellcote71 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:50 pmelleneff wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:09 pmYou have heard Aces recent playing?sugardaddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:49 am Does the Ace Frehley band really need 3 guitarists?!?!?! I sure hope not.
He needs 3 guitars covering him
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Gene seems really loyal to the guys around him in recent years.. Just look at Tommy! His loyalty is being rewarded by managing to hang on (at least until final leg of EOTR?)
Gene's wanting to keep these guys somewhat close.. as well as keeping Ace somewhat close?! I do think Ace has been dangled a carrot... We'll see..... Ace sounded great with these guys at the Australian shows.. top notch band.. and that was barely any rehearsals..
Gene's wanting to keep these guys somewhat close.. as well as keeping Ace somewhat close?! I do think Ace has been dangled a carrot... We'll see..... Ace sounded great with these guys at the Australian shows.. top notch band.. and that was barely any rehearsals..
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Interesting. Chris Wyse is an amazing bass player, but maybe he has other projects. I always thought Scot Coogan got a bad rap for no reason. He is a fine drummer and sang lead vocals on the KISS stuff really well. Richie... I don't criticize him as much as everyone else. I don't mind his stage presence. The dude is just having fun and it doesn't hurt anyone or the show. His vocals were fine on a few songs. I thought it was a solid 4 piece band. I have heard rumors that Richie hasn't kicked certain habits, so maybe that was part of Ace's decision to switch things up. Who knows though.
I just don't see any reason for 2 additional guitar players in Ace's band. I hope it gets narrowed down to one rhythm player.
I just don't see any reason for 2 additional guitar players in Ace's band. I hope it gets narrowed down to one rhythm player.
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Gene's band sounds MUCH better than Ace's last band. ACE sounds better with Gene's band backing him up than he did with his last band.
This is a great move by Ace. I love it.
This is a great move by Ace. I love it.
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"Doesn't hurt the show" uhh... he looked like someone let the drunk in the audience who was shouting "lemme up there, I'll show you how to play that damn thing!" get up on stage and act like a total tool.RockSoldier52 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:57 pm Interesting. Chris Wyse is an amazing bass player, but maybe he has other projects. I always thought Scot Coogan got a bad rap for no reason. He is a fine drummer and sang lead vocals on the KISS stuff really well. Richie... I don't criticize him as much as everyone else. I don't mind his stage presence. The dude is just having fun and it doesn't hurt anyone or the show. His vocals were fine on a few songs. I thought it was a solid 4 piece band. I have heard rumors that Richie hasn't kicked certain habits, so maybe that was part of Ace's decision to switch things up. Who knows though.
I just don't see any reason for 2 additional guitar players in Ace's band. I hope it gets narrowed down to one rhythm player.
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Something just occurred to me; When I was at the GS vault thing in Adelaide (the one where that Q&A clip is from) the GS Band guys were mingling with the fans etc. They were saying what a dream gig it was backing up both Gene and now Ace. I asked them if they were doing the Kruise this year and one of them said something like “as of right now no, but we’ll see how it plays out...”. I guess the discussions were happening and they were hopeful that Ace was going to enlist their services. It also goes along with Gene mocking Richie and Ace suggesting that he might reevaluate things. It all makes sense now.
A few weeks ago I threw it out there that Ace should be opening for KISS on the EOTR tour. I think it might have just taken another step towards that. Clearly I’m a freakin’ genius!
A few weeks ago I threw it out there that Ace should be opening for KISS on the EOTR tour. I think it might have just taken another step towards that. Clearly I’m a freakin’ genius!
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This is a much more exciting live proposition than Ace's current band, after skipping the last few Ace shows I'd definitely buy a ticket for this. Killer band.
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yeah, great move by Ace. his new band sounds so much better than Ace`s old band !
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I must've missed the bit about Gene mocking Richie. What'd he say?Mr Slow wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:13 am Something just occurred to me; When I was at the GS vault thing in Adelaide (the one where that Q&A clip is from) the GS Band guys were mingling with the fans etc. They were saying what a dream gig it was backing up both Gene and now Ace. I asked them if they were doing the Kruise this year and one of them said something like “as of right now no, but we’ll see how it plays out...”. I guess the discussions were happening and they were hopeful that Ace was going to enlist their services. It also goes along with Gene mocking Richie and Ace suggesting that he might reevaluate things. It all makes sense now.
A few weeks ago I threw it out there that Ace should be opening for KISS on the EOTR tour. I think it might have just taken another step towards that. Clearly I’m a freakin’ genius!
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Long story short, that Richie is a poser who doesn't know his place and how to act on stage.LordThurisaz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:11 amI must've missed the bit about Gene mocking Richie. What'd he say?Mr Slow wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:13 am Something just occurred to me; When I was at the GS vault thing in Adelaide (the one where that Q&A clip is from) the GS Band guys were mingling with the fans etc. They were saying what a dream gig it was backing up both Gene and now Ace. I asked them if they were doing the Kruise this year and one of them said something like “as of right now no, but we’ll see how it plays out...”. I guess the discussions were happening and they were hopeful that Ace was going to enlist their services. It also goes along with Gene mocking Richie and Ace suggesting that he might reevaluate things. It all makes sense now.
A few weeks ago I threw it out there that Ace should be opening for KISS on the EOTR tour. I think it might have just taken another step towards that. Clearly I’m a freakin’ genius!
Nothing that we didn't know of, already.
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Ah. Agreed there.Thunderous_Lay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:20 amLong story short, that Richie is a poser who doesn't know his place and how to act on stage.LordThurisaz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:11 amI must've missed the bit about Gene mocking Richie. What'd he say?Mr Slow wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:13 am Something just occurred to me; When I was at the GS vault thing in Adelaide (the one where that Q&A clip is from) the GS Band guys were mingling with the fans etc. They were saying what a dream gig it was backing up both Gene and now Ace. I asked them if they were doing the Kruise this year and one of them said something like “as of right now no, but we’ll see how it plays out...”. I guess the discussions were happening and they were hopeful that Ace was going to enlist their services. It also goes along with Gene mocking Richie and Ace suggesting that he might reevaluate things. It all makes sense now.
A few weeks ago I threw it out there that Ace should be opening for KISS on the EOTR tour. I think it might have just taken another step towards that. Clearly I’m a freakin’ genius!
Nothing that we didn't know of, already.
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trueelleneff wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:09 pmYou have heard Aces recent playing?sugardaddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:49 am Does the Ace Frehley band really need 3 guitarists?!?!?! I sure hope not.
He needs 3 guitars covering him
actually i saw him in Detroit back in August. He was good, but his usual sloppy self.
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I really don't care for Coogan. The other guys were pretty cool even if Richie tends to overdo it. Like you said he's just getting into it.RockSoldier52 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:57 pm Interesting. Chris Wyse is an amazing bass player, but maybe he has other projects. I always thought Scot Coogan got a bad rap for no reason. He is a fine drummer and sang lead vocals on the KISS stuff really well. Richie... I don't criticize him as much as everyone else. I don't mind his stage presence. The dude is just having fun and it doesn't hurt anyone or the show. His vocals were fine on a few songs. I thought it was a solid 4 piece band. I have heard rumors that Richie hasn't kicked certain habits, so maybe that was part of Ace's decision to switch things up. Who knows though.
I just don't see any reason for 2 additional guitar players in Ace's band. I hope it gets narrowed down to one rhythm player.
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Ultimately, I guess Scot will have to settle with this guy...
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I mean, he's not Ace Frehley or anything but then again, he's not that bad, either... right ?
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I mean, he's not Ace Frehley or anything but then again, he's not that bad, either... right ?
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Not the song's best rendition, surely, but man... George still plays like his very life hangs on the balance.
Also...
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Chris plays with Hollywood VampiresRockSoldier52 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:57 pm Interesting. Chris Wyse is an amazing bass player, but maybe he has other projects. I always thought Scot Coogan got a bad rap for no reason. He is a fine drummer and sang lead vocals on the KISS stuff really well. Richie... I don't criticize him as much as everyone else. I don't mind his stage presence. The dude is just having fun and it doesn't hurt anyone or the show. His vocals were fine on a few songs. I thought it was a solid 4 piece band. I have heard rumors that Richie hasn't kicked certain habits, so maybe that was part of Ace's decision to switch things up. Who knows though.
I just don't see any reason for 2 additional guitar players in Ace's band. I hope it gets narrowed down to one rhythm player.
A real paying gig
In front of an actual audience
I’m sure he does not give a flying fuck about Ace
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I wouldn't be surprised if Gene's backing band ended up being cheaper than Ace's, same way I wouldn't be surprised if Gene's the one footing the bill.
Dude's a blowhard who likes to rag on Ace, but he has a soft spot for him, still.
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.... and Matt Starr playing drums with Ace on the Kruise. I know there were a few remarks here about his playing when he joined Ace first time around. Presumably Sheehan & Gilbert didn't notice what a terrible drummer he is ?
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Wellllll....let's just take a step back, here. I haven't seen Ace solo for years, but from what I did see (back just before the Reunion) and now am hearing about recent shows, I can say that it makes TOTAL sense he performs SOME KISS favorites, for the same reason Paul and Gene say they "must" do certain songs at every show. Yes, we all love most of Ace's solo work, but why do we love Ace? Because he was in KISS. Why would anyone go see an Ace show? Same answer. Then you ask, "How many Ace songs do general audiences know compared to Gene or Paul KISS songs?" Well, then you have your full answer. Most people probably know "Shock Me" and "New York Groove." They don't know "Shot Full O' Rock" or "Insane."metaldad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:40 amYepThunderous_Lay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:22 am... and dropped KISS songs he didn't even write, or co-write, and delved instead into his vast solo and sublime repertoire.
That’s what I’m saying
No more Love Gun etc.
It’s ridiculous he does them
Yes, he does sometimes do "Rip It Out" from his '78 solo album, or "Rocket Ride," which are of course exceptions. But he has to balance it all out, man. Of course he should play his favorites from KISS, including "Deuce," "Love Gun," "Detroit Rock City," and "Rock And Roll All Nite."
That's just my 2 cents' worth, plus some lint.
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I would be excited for an Ace & Gene solo bands tour of the US, much more so than Kiss end of the road.
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Every piece of gear I play or test out, I do so by playing that song.Thunderous_Lay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:04 amNot the song's best rendition, surely, but man... George still plays like his very life hangs on the balance.
Also...
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Just saw that Ritchie's wife passed away from ALS. Maybe that played in the decision on some level too. As in Ritchie and Ace deciding to move on from each other right now.
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RockSoldier52 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:57 pm Interesting. Chris Wyse is an amazing bass player, but maybe he has other projects. I always thought Scot Coogan got a bad rap for no reason. He is a fine drummer and sang lead vocals on the KISS stuff really well. Richie... I don't criticize him as much as everyone else. I don't mind his stage presence. The dude is just having fun and it doesn't hurt anyone or the show. His vocals were fine on a few songs. I thought it was a solid 4 piece band. I have heard rumors that Richie hasn't kicked certain habits, so maybe that was part of Ace's decision to switch things up. Who knows though.
I just don't see any reason for 2 additional guitar players in Ace's band. I hope it gets narrowed down to one rhythm player.
I agree...I never minded Richie's stage presence & if Ace didnt care for Richie's style, presence, & jumping around he probably wouldn't have had him in his band...I've only seen video of Richie & Ace these past few years but seen them together twice in the 90's & thought he & Ace worked great off each other & both seemed to be enjoying themselves(I preferred seeing Ace with Richie as opposed to Ace & Todd when I seen them in '88(nothing against Todd...for my tastes I preferred Richie). Richie just seems really into his playing & I did get a kick out of Gene's comment & impression of Richie... I have nothing against Ace changing bands at this point but I did enjoy his recent band...
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Ace and Gene will have some great tours and shows together once KISS is all done. I’ve seen both them and was at their reunion in St. Paul....it will be a great double bill for Kiss fans to see for years to come or as long as they both wanna play. Good work for the Nashville guys too..I’m jealous of them!
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Trump has spoke. It's Evil Gene in Ace's ear
Funny Ace hasn't went on there yet to explain it to him, but Cacius got an interview ?
Funny Ace hasn't went on there yet to explain it to him, but Cacius got an interview ?
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I think he should've kept Richie.
I think Richie is great.
It's okay if Ace wants to replace his band but I think the shots Gene and Ace took at them were out of line.
I think Richie is great.
It's okay if Ace wants to replace his band but I think the shots Gene and Ace took at them were out of line.
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strangeways747 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:59 am I think he should've kept Richie.
I think Richie is great.
It's okay if Ace wants to replace his band but I think the shots Gene and Ace took at them were out of line.
I agree as I said I've been a big fan of Richie(even have at least 4 of his cd's) since I seen him with Ace in the 90's. I can see where the shots at Richie were out of Line by Gene but I personally got a kick out of it because I can just see Richie onstage waving his arms & jumping around the way Gene did it... It made me laugh because all I kept thinking was "That's Richie!" and that's it...He's been acting like that for years and it never seemed to bother Ace & I loved it...if it did he would have fired him and not brought him back. To me Richie is Rock & Roll and I wish he and Ace would write an album together. I'm sure they will work together again
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Excellent move by Ace. Richie may have a killer collection of monsters, but let's be real, he's a pub-band level amateur, always was. I have no clue why Ace always allowed him to be involved when there are so many better players out there, who aren't goofy. Richie's a goof, like Spinal Tap, only Spinal Tap knows it's a goof.
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I enjoyed Ace & Richie onstage together. I think it worked, or at least it worked for me. I think Ace was probably OK with it because it let him hang back a bit more while Richie acted all nutsrtbuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:48 amstrangeways747 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:59 am I think he should've kept Richie.
I think Richie is great.
It's okay if Ace wants to replace his band but I think the shots Gene and Ace took at them were out of line.
I agree as I said I've been a big fan of Richie(even have at least 4 of his cd's) since I seen him with Ace in the 90's. I can see where the shots at Richie were out of Line by Gene but I personally got a kick out of it because I can just see Richie onstage waving his arms & jumping around the way Gene did it... It made me laugh because all I kept thinking was "That's Richie!" and that's it...He's been acting like that for years and it never seemed to bother Ace & I loved it...if it did he would have fired him and not brought him back. To me Richie is Rock & Roll and I wish he and Ace would write an album together. I'm sure they will work together again
There's no denying how great Ace sounded with Gene's band in those videos from down under though
When you put it all together from Gene naming his album & co-writing with him, Ace doing those Kiss related weddings in Vegas & doing the Kruise leading into End of the Road, it can let speculation run wild for sure
Could Ace be the opener for End of the Road with Gene's band backing him up? That would be beyond awesome
As for Ace getting onstage with current Kiss...I just cannot picture in my mind Ace ever stepping on the same stage as Tommy when Tommy is dressed as Ace though. Whether Ace is in costume or not. Who knows though, time will tell
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After thinking on this, 90% Ace will be opening parts of the KISS tour with Gene's backing band. It just seems obvious.
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That does make sense on some level.RockSoldier52 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:10 pm After thinking on this, 90% Ace will be opening parts of the KISS tour with Gene's backing band. It just seems obvious.
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I dont know, I assume with Sheehan and Gilbert the answer is chemistry, Starr is obviously a pro and to work with people like that he must be able to slide into place without too much hassle.
On the flip side I saw him play with Mr Big and was shocked at how meat-and-potatoes and dull he was as a drummer, totally the opposite of Pat Torpey.
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I was thinking the same thing. It makes sense.RockSoldier52 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:10 pm After thinking on this, 90% Ace will be opening parts of the KISS tour with Gene's backing band. It just seems obvious.
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There's definitely something more there than just Ace wanting a change of lineup. The timing is just too suspect, lol.
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It seems like many of us are doing the Math and coming up with the same answer - Ace will be opening for KISS on the EOTR tour!
With all the clues and hints out there, it almost seems inevitable. And it makes good sense. Not only does it enhance the prospects of the tour as Ace is a very popular member, but it also displays a level of solidarity to both sides of the fanbase, who have been divided since 2001. And on top of all that, it's a pretty unique angle. Has this kind of thing happened before? Has Steve Perry ever opened for Journey? Has Lindsay Buckingham ever opened for Fleetwood Mac? Has Slash ever opened for Guns N Roses? The only thing I can think of that comes close is Dave Mustaine being a part of the BIG 4 shows and going on before Metallica. This is something pretty unique... If it actually happens!
With all the clues and hints out there, it almost seems inevitable. And it makes good sense. Not only does it enhance the prospects of the tour as Ace is a very popular member, but it also displays a level of solidarity to both sides of the fanbase, who have been divided since 2001. And on top of all that, it's a pretty unique angle. Has this kind of thing happened before? Has Steve Perry ever opened for Journey? Has Lindsay Buckingham ever opened for Fleetwood Mac? Has Slash ever opened for Guns N Roses? The only thing I can think of that comes close is Dave Mustaine being a part of the BIG 4 shows and going on before Metallica. This is something pretty unique... If it actually happens!
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Ace opening for KISS is both cool and sad at the same time.
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AgreedSpiritual_Chaos wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:26 pm Ace opening for KISS is both cool and sad at the same time.
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Most drummers are meat-and-potatoes when compared to the likes of Pat Torpey, Bill Bruford or Marc Bell, only to mention a couple.
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How so? I think it's a win/win. Ace gets to play (and sell merch!) to 10,000+ every night, KISS gets to show the fans that it's one big happy family (even if it's not!) and the fans get to see a full night of KISS and KISS related music. Make that a win/win/win!Hotter Than Heck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:32 pmAgreedSpiritual_Chaos wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:26 pm Ace opening for KISS is both cool and sad at the same time.
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Absolutely, the stuff you mentioned are the cool partsMr Slow wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:34 pmHow so? I think it's a win/win. Ace gets to play (and sell merch!) to 10,000+ every night, KISS gets to show the fans that it's one big happy family (even if it's not!) and the fans get to see a full night of KISS and KISS related music. Make that a win/win/win!Hotter Than Heck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:32 pmAgreedSpiritual_Chaos wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:26 pm Ace opening for KISS is both cool and sad at the same time.
The sad part is just, it's Ace & he's Kiss. I've been a fan since 1975 or '76, since I was 5 or 6 years old, I don't even remember life before I was a Kiss fan. I love Kiss & support anything any of the original members do, including whatever Kiss has done since the farewell because it's new Gene & Paul stuff just like in the 80s & 90s
But Kiss is Pete, Gene, Ace & Paul for me; not the Cat, the Demon, the Spaceman & the Starchild
I'm not bitching, but it's an emotional thing. Those bonds are from pre-puberty, they're strong so It is what it is
I'm going to EOTR whether Ace opens or is involved at all or if he's not involved at all. If he opens it will be awesome to see him, but it will be bittersweet too because he's there, but not as part of Kiss
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True, was just shocked at how much opposite in style he was to Torpey. Really really dull player. Solid, but entirely unimaginative and without flair. But maybe thats what they wanted, just someone to get them through whats been a difficult time for them without any hassle.Thunderous_Lay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:33 pmMost drummers are meat-and-potatoes when compared to the likes of Pat Torpey, Bill Bruford or Marc Bell, only to mention a couple.
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So it's more of a personal thing? I get that. Anybody that is attached to the originals would prefer him to be in the band, not before the band, but at least he's there! I love Ace but I'm not just a Gene-Paul-Ace-Peter guy. I've enjoyed guys like Bruce and the Eric's every bit as much as the original members. So my perspective is different than yours I guess. I just see this as a huge bonus for the fans. Not only do we get to see KISS in all their glory, but rather than having some no name band, or an act we don't care about opening, we get an extra KISS related set, now complete with a great backup band in tow.Hotter Than Heck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:40 pmAbsolutely, the stuff you mentioned are the cool partsMr Slow wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:34 pmHow so? I think it's a win/win. Ace gets to play (and sell merch!) to 10,000+ every night, KISS gets to show the fans that it's one big happy family (even if it's not!) and the fans get to see a full night of KISS and KISS related music. Make that a win/win/win!Hotter Than Heck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:32 pmAgreedSpiritual_Chaos wrote: ↑Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:26 pm Ace opening for KISS is both cool and sad at the same time.
The sad part is just, it's Ace & he's Kiss. I've been a fan since 1975 or '76, since I was 5 or 6 years old, I don't even remember life before I was a Kiss fan. I love Kiss & support anything any of the original members do, including whatever Kiss has done since the farewell because it's new Gene & Paul stuff just like in the 80s & 90s
But Kiss is Pete, Gene, Ace & Paul for me; not the Cat, the Demon, the Spaceman & the Starchild
I'm not bitching, but it's an emotional thing. Those bonds are from pre-puberty, they're strong so It is what it is
I'm going to EOTR whether Ace opens or is involved or not. If he opens it will be awesome to see him, but it will be bittersweet too because he's there, but not as part of Kiss
Of course, this is all conjecture at this point. But it does make good sense in my view. Hopefully this is what they have planned.
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Re: Ace will be using Gene's solo band as the new Ace Frehley backing band
I agree. If Ace (with the GSB) opens for KISS I'm into it.
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I do think that having Ace open for a string of dates on EOTR with Gene's backup band is the best solution to not throw someone out whose been there for decades, not piss off long time fans -- or at least lessen the blow -- and bring back Ace in a way.
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Honestly tho, I don't want Ace's band to open up. I think a lot of fans want to see Ace in makeup. I was too young to drive myself to the reunion tours, so someone like me would love to see it. Is Ace ready for a 20 song KISS set in 2018? Ehh, I don't think know. I think he can get there, but it would be at least a few months of learning the set again. I would pay money to see Ace come out and "tag out" Tommy to play some classics. Sure, Peter can come too, but I don't think he wants to except for a few shows. I know it's been talked about to death, but Ace coming out for:
1. Deuce
2. Firehouse
3. Cold Gin
4. Calling Dr. Love
5. Shock Me
6. Love Gun
7. Black Diamond
Full lineup of everyone involved to end the show:
Detroit Rock City (Let Tommy and Ace do the dueling leads, let Paul shake his ass or whatever he does)
Shout It Out Loud
Rock and Roll All Nite
If Ace opens the gig, there is no way he comes back out in makeup (I don't think anyone wants him to just come out in a spaceman t-shirt to jam...) to do the above run.
I mean, I'm sure he could get his makeup on in the changeover time and an hour of current KISS, but I can't see that happening.
I don't think I'd pay money to see Ace open for KISS. Weird.
1. Deuce
2. Firehouse
3. Cold Gin
4. Calling Dr. Love
5. Shock Me
6. Love Gun
7. Black Diamond
Full lineup of everyone involved to end the show:
Detroit Rock City (Let Tommy and Ace do the dueling leads, let Paul shake his ass or whatever he does)
Shout It Out Loud
Rock and Roll All Nite
If Ace opens the gig, there is no way he comes back out in makeup (I don't think anyone wants him to just come out in a spaceman t-shirt to jam...) to do the above run.
I mean, I'm sure he could get his makeup on in the changeover time and an hour of current KISS, but I can't see that happening.
I don't think I'd pay money to see Ace open for KISS. Weird.
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Re: Ace will be using Gene's solo band as the new Ace Frehley backing band
If this happens I wonder what his set list will be like. Do they really want him playing KISS songs before their show? Even if they're songs they don't play? I don't think they would want that.
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Yawn. "Wow, why are there two spacemen? This is a strange show."