I agree.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:00 amabsolutely. i prefer to take my chances. i think insurance is the biggest scam since organized religion.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:58 amSo I assume then if something bad happened to you health wise ala Eric Carr - you might be wiped out financially.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:53 amcouldnt tell ya. i have chosen to opt out of health insurance most times its offered to me. ive gotten penalized over $600 for several years now due to Barrycare, tho....Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:41 amNo problem. I am curious though, if you went to go see your doctor tomorrow for a check up - what would that cost you if anything. I assume some insurance plans cover that.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:38 amthank you Silver. i feel i have a more complete picture of the situation now.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:29 amAs a Canadian, I can say that most of the "horror stories" a very few and far between and that overall - Canada's healthcare is fantastic.
Are there wait times? Yes, but it's mainly in parts of Canada with a smaller population and limited amount of doctors and resources.
I personally haven't had to wait long for an MRI, etc. as I live in a big city and I have received excellent healthcare with the added bonus of walking out of there without getting a bill. I wouldn't want things to change at all for an American like system.
It is just unacceptable and disgusting quite frankly that anyone should have to go bankrupt due to medical costs. I know Americans who won't even go to the doctor when they are sick, because due to life's expenses, they can't afford a few hundred dollars to get checked out. In some cases, the problem gets worse because Americans can't even afford to go to their family doctor to get checked out.
That's just wrong on any level.
I can call my family doctor today, see him tomorrow, find out what the problem is and it doesn't cost me a dime. I was born into our system, so it's all I have known regarding paying more in taxes for "free" healthcare, but I am absolutely fine with that because I can't complain at all at the quality of healthcare provided in Canada.
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If you get sick are you just going to die are you going to go to the emergency room?Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:53 amcouldnt tell ya. i have chosen to opt out of health insurance most times its offered to me. ive gotten penalized over $600 for several years now due to Barrycare, tho....Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:41 amNo problem. I am curious though, if you went to go see your doctor tomorrow for a check up - what would that cost you if anything. I assume some insurance plans cover that.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:38 amthank you Silver. i feel i have a more complete picture of the situation now.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:29 amAs a Canadian, I can say that most of the "horror stories" a very few and far between and that overall - Canada's healthcare is fantastic.
Are there wait times? Yes, but it's mainly in parts of Canada with a smaller population and limited amount of doctors and resources.
I personally haven't had to wait long for an MRI, etc. as I live in a big city and I have received excellent healthcare with the added bonus of walking out of there without getting a bill. I wouldn't want things to change at all for an American like system.
It is just unacceptable and disgusting quite frankly that anyone should have to go bankrupt due to medical costs. I know Americans who won't even go to the doctor when they are sick, because due to life's expenses, they can't afford a few hundred dollars to get checked out. In some cases, the problem gets worse because Americans can't even afford to go to their family doctor to get checked out.
That's just wrong on any level.
I can call my family doctor today, see him tomorrow, find out what the problem is and it doesn't cost me a dime. I was born into our system, so it's all I have known regarding paying more in taxes for "free" healthcare, but I am absolutely fine with that because I can't complain at all at the quality of healthcare provided in Canada.
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I'm sure there are one or two exception-not-the-rule horror stories readily available for any situation. That'd be like being afraid to listen to ALIVE! because it might be 2 LPs full of Let's Put the X in Sex!
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Well this thread took a nice political turn. I expect that on the gun forum I frequent since it is our second amendment but people keep dragging it here more and more.
Can someone start a new "Pauls voice sucks" or "Genes hair" thread to get things back on track.
Can someone start a new "Pauls voice sucks" or "Genes hair" thread to get things back on track.
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I don't think it's political so much as just the reality of life, health care and the cost of that.Super Bee wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:46 am Well this thread took a nice political turn. I expect that on the gun forum I frequent since it is our second amendment but people keep dragging it here more and more.
Can someone start a new "Pauls voice sucks" or "Genes hair" thread to get things back on track.
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I'm insured through my employer. If I go to visit a doctor, I pay a co-pay, usually around 20-30 dollars for a visit. Not too bad. If I have other procedures done that are covered, I pay a deductible up to a certain amount, then the insurance covers the rest. I'm lucky enough to have pretty decent insurance. Many others are not. Hence the responses you've seen where they prefer to "take their chances" and get none at all. Sad.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:41 am
No problem. I am curious though, if you went to go see your doctor tomorrow for a check up - what would that cost you if anything. I assume some insurance plans cover that.
You'd think something like this wouldn't be a partisan issue at all, but ... not the case.
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That's good that you have decent insurance. How does it work - do you have pay that 20-30 right then and there after the doctor sees you or do you get a bill in the mail, etc.Diss wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:53 amI'm insured through my employer. If I go to visit a doctor, I pay a co-pay, usually around 20-30 dollars for a visit. Not too bad. If I have other procedures done that are covered, I pay a deductible up to a certain amount, then the insurance covers the rest. I'm lucky enough to have pretty decent insurance. Many others are not. Hence the responses you've seen where they prefer to "take their chances" and get none at all. Sad.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:41 am
No problem. I am curious though, if you went to go see your doctor tomorrow for a check up - what would that cost you if anything. I assume some insurance plans cover that.
You'd think something like this wouldn't be a partisan issue at all, but ... not the case.
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Bill Aucoin reportedly discussed this in an Interview:
http://www.gcent.info/kissaholics/intvi ... aucoin.htm
Q- Is it true that before Eric Carr died that he was treated poorly by the band?
Bill-"That's basically true and it's probably one of the saddest stories. While I wasn't there at the time, I know because Eric was calling and talking to me…You have to understand he was always the forth man out…He was never considered by Gene and Paul, in particular, as a member of KISS because he was a hired hand and that was it…He never really had a say in anything. So over the years he knew some things were right and some things weren't and he also knew that he wasn't being treated well…Sadly, when he had the heart condition, and this is something that I don't think was Gene's fault per se, but what happened at the end was rather cruel and think that his family always thought that maybe his last stroke when he died happened because of a conversation with Gene. The sad part was that Gene and Paul had called to let him know that he absolutely was not going to be in KISS anymore. In amongst they were canceling everything to do with KISS, which meant that his medical insurance was going to be canceled. Well unfortunately, whether or not this had any…I know he was very upset over the whole thing anyway and had called me several times in the weeks prior. But that was the night he had the stroke and died…You will never meet a sweeter guy than Eric."
http://www.gcent.info/kissaholics/intvi ... aucoin.htm
Q- Is it true that before Eric Carr died that he was treated poorly by the band?
Bill-"That's basically true and it's probably one of the saddest stories. While I wasn't there at the time, I know because Eric was calling and talking to me…You have to understand he was always the forth man out…He was never considered by Gene and Paul, in particular, as a member of KISS because he was a hired hand and that was it…He never really had a say in anything. So over the years he knew some things were right and some things weren't and he also knew that he wasn't being treated well…Sadly, when he had the heart condition, and this is something that I don't think was Gene's fault per se, but what happened at the end was rather cruel and think that his family always thought that maybe his last stroke when he died happened because of a conversation with Gene. The sad part was that Gene and Paul had called to let him know that he absolutely was not going to be in KISS anymore. In amongst they were canceling everything to do with KISS, which meant that his medical insurance was going to be canceled. Well unfortunately, whether or not this had any…I know he was very upset over the whole thing anyway and had called me several times in the weeks prior. But that was the night he had the stroke and died…You will never meet a sweeter guy than Eric."
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I do think there is truth to what Bill Aucoin is saying. Unfortunately with the way that Paul and Gene are, it is not surprising to hear how Eric was treated regardless if it's true or not. I also absolutely believe that Eric Carr was out of the band, even if he had lived. Eric Singer was the new drummer one way or another.
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Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:53 amI don't think it's political so much as just the reality of life, health care and the cost of that.Super Bee wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:46 am Well this thread took a nice political turn. I expect that on the gun forum I frequent since it is our second amendment but people keep dragging it here more and more.
Can someone start a new "Pauls voice sucks" or "Genes hair" thread to get things back on track.
I am sorry but I do feel it is political. Ones health, yes is a part of life. Who is responsible for their care and expenses is where it gets political.
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Medical costs can wipe you out everywhere.
Pay a health insurance.
Here in Brazil we have public health..like Obama tried to do in U.S. It doesnt work. People die waiting for simple procedures. Besides, you have to pay much more taxes, for a shitty service, and to feed the mouth of corrupted politicians.
Pay a health insurance.
Here in Brazil we have public health..like Obama tried to do in U.S. It doesnt work. People die waiting for simple procedures. Besides, you have to pay much more taxes, for a shitty service, and to feed the mouth of corrupted politicians.
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I take it you are not in favor of a system that everyone pays into and healthcare is "free" for all.Super Bee wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 amSilver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:53 amI don't think it's political so much as just the reality of life, health care and the cost of that.Super Bee wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:46 am Well this thread took a nice political turn. I expect that on the gun forum I frequent since it is our second amendment but people keep dragging it here more and more.
Can someone start a new "Pauls voice sucks" or "Genes hair" thread to get things back on track.
I am sorry but I do feel it is political. Ones health, yes is a part of life. Who is responsible for their care and expenses is where it gets political.
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People dying waiting for procedures is EXTREMELY rare. It is the exception. Not the rule, but it makes the news - so uninformed people think it happens all the time.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:06 am Medical costs can wipe you out everywhere.
Pay a health insurance.
Here in Brazil we have public health..like Obama tried to do in U.S. It doesnt work. People die waiting for simple procedures. Besides, you have to pay much more taxes, for a shitty service, and to feed the mouth of corrupted politicians.
America is the only country in the world where the biggest reason why people go bankrupt is because of medical expenses.
I happily pay more in taxes in Canada and get excellent health care. Much of what you are saying is a complete fallacy when it comes to other countries.
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Lol extremely rare , where?Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:12 amPeople dying waiting for procedures is EXTREMELY rare. It is the exception. Not the rule, but it makes the news - so uninformed people think it happens all the time.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:06 am Medical costs can wipe you out everywhere.
Pay a health insurance.
Here in Brazil we have public health..like Obama tried to do in U.S. It doesnt work. People die waiting for simple procedures. Besides, you have to pay much more taxes, for a shitty service, and to feed the mouth of corrupted politicians.
America is the only country in the world where the biggest reason why people go bankrupt is because of medical expenses.
I happily pay more in taxes in Canada and get excellent health care. Much of what you are saying is a complete fallacy.
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Someone dying waiting for a procedure usually makes the world news because of how horrible that is - so ignorant people think oh my god, that must happen all the time. It's rare. In any country that has universal healthcare. Canada included.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:14 amLol extremely rare , where?Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:12 amPeople dying waiting for procedures is EXTREMELY rare. It is the exception. Not the rule, but it makes the news - so uninformed people think it happens all the time.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:06 am Medical costs can wipe you out everywhere.
Pay a health insurance.
Here in Brazil we have public health..like Obama tried to do in U.S. It doesnt work. People die waiting for simple procedures. Besides, you have to pay much more taxes, for a shitty service, and to feed the mouth of corrupted politicians.
America is the only country in the world where the biggest reason why people go bankrupt is because of medical expenses.
I happily pay more in taxes in Canada and get excellent health care. Much of what you are saying is a complete fallacy.
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Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 amI take it you are not in favor of a system that everyone pays into and healthcare is "free" for all.Super Bee wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 amSilver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:53 amI don't think it's political so much as just the reality of life, health care and the cost of that.Super Bee wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:46 am Well this thread took a nice political turn. I expect that on the gun forum I frequent since it is our second amendment but people keep dragging it here more and more.
Can someone start a new "Pauls voice sucks" or "Genes hair" thread to get things back on track.
I am sorry but I do feel it is political. Ones health, yes is a part of life. Who is responsible for their care and expenses is where it gets political.
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hahahaha im sorrry.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:18 amSomeone dying waiting for a procedure usually makes the world news because of how horrible that is - so ignorant people think oh my god, that must happen all the time. It's rare. In any country that has universal healthcare. Canada included.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:14 amLol extremely rare , where?Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:12 amPeople dying waiting for procedures is EXTREMELY rare. It is the exception. Not the rule, but it makes the news - so uninformed people think it happens all the time.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:06 am Medical costs can wipe you out everywhere.
Pay a health insurance.
Here in Brazil we have public health..like Obama tried to do in U.S. It doesnt work. People die waiting for simple procedures. Besides, you have to pay much more taxes, for a shitty service, and to feed the mouth of corrupted politicians.
America is the only country in the world where the biggest reason why people go bankrupt is because of medical expenses.
I happily pay more in taxes in Canada and get excellent health care. Much of what you are saying is a complete fallacy.
hahahahaha
I dont think you know Brazil very much.
https://g1.globo.com/rj/rio-de-janeiro/ ... oria.ghtml
I will translate the link for you, it says:
Each day, 14 people die due to lack of bed vacancy in Rio de Janeiro hospitals.
We also have around 15 murders each day, because we live in a drug war inside our city.
So, what about Canada? Great place to live huh? Wanna change places?
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I was speaking generally. People who argue against universal health care often bring up that people die waiting for procedures because they saw some article online where that happened, so they assume it happens all the time.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:29 amhahahaha im sorrry.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:18 amSomeone dying waiting for a procedure usually makes the world news because of how horrible that is - so ignorant people think oh my god, that must happen all the time. It's rare. In any country that has universal healthcare. Canada included.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:14 amLol extremely rare , where?Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:12 amPeople dying waiting for procedures is EXTREMELY rare. It is the exception. Not the rule, but it makes the news - so uninformed people think it happens all the time.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:06 am Medical costs can wipe you out everywhere.
Pay a health insurance.
Here in Brazil we have public health..like Obama tried to do in U.S. It doesnt work. People die waiting for simple procedures. Besides, you have to pay much more taxes, for a shitty service, and to feed the mouth of corrupted politicians.
America is the only country in the world where the biggest reason why people go bankrupt is because of medical expenses.
I happily pay more in taxes in Canada and get excellent health care. Much of what you are saying is a complete fallacy.
hahahahaha
I dont think you know Brazil very much.
https://g1.globo.com/rj/rio-de-janeiro/ ... oria.ghtml
I will translate the link for you, it says:
Each day, 14 people die due to lack of bed vacancy in Rio de Janeiro hospitals.
We also have around 15 murders each day, because we live in a drug war inside our city.
So, what about Canada? Great place to live huh? Wanna change places?
Brazil is ranked 125th in the world when it comes to healthcare, so it sounds like you don't have good healthcare in that country just generally speaking and that's why people are dying. Never mind if it's insurance based or based on higher taxes.
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A close friend of mine lives in Sweden and had to wait over a year to get an MRI doneKlankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:19 am the ONLY thing i agree with the Regressive Left on, is that health care and college education should NOT be among the most expensive things you can buy on the fucking planet. "free" makes absolutely no sense tho.
as for countries with socialized healthcare im torn. i dont know whether to believe in its effectiveness or not. are the mechanics of it as bad as some reports suggest? they say you can die of the common cold while waiting to see a Dr. in Canada.....
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That's only free to people who don't workSilver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 am
I take it you are not in favor of a system that everyone pays into and healthcare is "free" for all.
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Not true at all. Even if you are not working, or you are a lazy ass or you are on welfare - you still buy things to stay alive like food. A pack of gum costs more in Canada, because you are paying into healthcare, etc. Every purchase pays into the system.ZachAttack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:39 amThat's only free to people who don't workSilver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 am
I take it you are not in favor of a system that everyone pays into and healthcare is "free" for all.
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LOLOL for real man, thanks!!battra wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:31 amIf you get sick are you just going to die are you going to go to the emergency room?Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:53 amcouldnt tell ya. i have chosen to opt out of health insurance most times its offered to me. ive gotten penalized over $600 for several years now due to Barrycare, tho....Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:41 amNo problem. I am curious though, if you went to go see your doctor tomorrow for a check up - what would that cost you if anything. I assume some insurance plans cover that.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:38 amthank you Silver. i feel i have a more complete picture of the situation now.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:29 amAs a Canadian, I can say that most of the "horror stories" a very few and far between and that overall - Canada's healthcare is fantastic.
Are there wait times? Yes, but it's mainly in parts of Canada with a smaller population and limited amount of doctors and resources.
I personally haven't had to wait long for an MRI, etc. as I live in a big city and I have received excellent healthcare with the added bonus of walking out of there without getting a bill. I wouldn't want things to change at all for an American like system.
It is just unacceptable and disgusting quite frankly that anyone should have to go bankrupt due to medical costs. I know Americans who won't even go to the doctor when they are sick, because due to life's expenses, they can't afford a few hundred dollars to get checked out. In some cases, the problem gets worse because Americans can't even afford to go to their family doctor to get checked out.
That's just wrong on any level.
I can call my family doctor today, see him tomorrow, find out what the problem is and it doesn't cost me a dime. I was born into our system, so it's all I have known regarding paying more in taxes for "free" healthcare, but I am absolutely fine with that because I can't complain at all at the quality of healthcare provided in Canada.
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I was told the Ontario Beer Taxes go to paying for the healtcare.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:43 amNot true at all. Even if you are not working, or you are a lazy ass or you are on welfare - you still buy things to stay alive like food. A pack of gum costs more in Canada, because you are paying into healthcare, etc. Every purchase pays into the system.ZachAttack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:39 amThat's only free to people who don't workSilver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 am
I take it you are not in favor of a system that everyone pays into and healthcare is "free" for all.
I'd take the bump in beer prices for not paying for insurance out of my check each week....I'd save so much money.
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Not when you're on food stamps
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Bruce wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:00 am Bill Aucoin reportedly discussed this in an Interview:
http://www.gcent.info/kissaholics/intvi ... aucoin.htm
Q- Is it true that before Eric Carr died that he was treated poorly by the band?
Bill-" In amongst they were canceling everything to do with KISS, which meant that his medical insurance was going to be canceled.
............and now back to our regularly scheduled program.....(yes i know, i am one of the primary belligerents in this threads' digression, my bad)............
i can see a scenario like this unfolding. given KISS' piss poor god awful financial state of affairs from the late 80s on, this seems entirely plausible to me.
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Methinks most people on food stamps do work, but they have crap-o jobs.
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Brazil has this kind of (communist) politics since day one.
A country that you pay taxes for shitty services. Where you pay for others that dont work. A country who laws protect more bandits than good people. (You can get away with murder and rape in 5, 6 years) Human rights will always defend murders and rapist. If you are a minor, you dont go to jail. Even if you rape, kill, toss fire in a baby. Whatever. You're a kid. You must be protected. A country where around 500 cops die every year. A country where everybody is welcome. Just come and start working..whatever. We don't care. Nobody has a job, you wont either.
Thats why we are desperate trying to put a conservative as president this year. Because the last one suffered impeachment..and the other is in jail. Both from the 'Workers Party'. Here we dont have Side A and Side B..we have a lot of parties. Just two really right winged. Most left and extreme left, like the Communist Party (Yeah they are still alive here)
look at us and enjoy your future. At least you will be good soccer players (for some years).
A country that you pay taxes for shitty services. Where you pay for others that dont work. A country who laws protect more bandits than good people. (You can get away with murder and rape in 5, 6 years) Human rights will always defend murders and rapist. If you are a minor, you dont go to jail. Even if you rape, kill, toss fire in a baby. Whatever. You're a kid. You must be protected. A country where around 500 cops die every year. A country where everybody is welcome. Just come and start working..whatever. We don't care. Nobody has a job, you wont either.
Thats why we are desperate trying to put a conservative as president this year. Because the last one suffered impeachment..and the other is in jail. Both from the 'Workers Party'. Here we dont have Side A and Side B..we have a lot of parties. Just two really right winged. Most left and extreme left, like the Communist Party (Yeah they are still alive here)
look at us and enjoy your future. At least you will be good soccer players (for some years).
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Thing is, KissAsylum.com used to have this feature called "Album Focus" discussing the KISStory of the band. It's gone now and a very strange rockumentary version of it is in its place. I believe that the band's story from album to album was converted into a book that someone associated with the site put together and sold. But while it was still on KissAsylum, I read some of what Paul and Gene had supposedly done for Eric. The thing is, though, they were very reluctant to bring this up, it seems there's not enough hard facts to back up anything about it. But the gist of it was that Eric had sold his rights, whatever they were, of KISS to Gene & Paul (I guess to songs that he wrote or co-wrote) and this helped pay his medical bills. Also, Gene & Paul (or maybe just Gene) bought Eric a Porche, early on (as a birthday present, maybe?) and this car, too, got sold. To whom it was sold, I can't honestly remember. I've looked all over the net for a similar assemblage of information on what the band was up to over the years, but have found nothing else like what KA had. I believe this was the book it became, though:Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:11 pmBruce wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:00 am Bill Aucoin reportedly discussed this in an Interview:
http://www.gcent.info/kissaholics/intvi ... aucoin.htm
Q- Is it true that before Eric Carr died that he was treated poorly by the band?
Bill-" In amongst they were canceling everything to do with KISS, which meant that his medical insurance was going to be canceled.
............and now back to our regularly scheduled program.....(yes i know, i am one of the primary belligerents in this threads' digression, my bad)............
i can see a scenario like this unfolding. given KISS' piss poor god awful financial state of affairs from the late 80s on, this seems entirely plausible to me.
https://www.amazon.com/Kiss-Album-Focus ... R8MZR5CDY9
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i remember the Album Focuses (Foci?) i printed them all off and put them in binders. i havent looked at em in over 15 years. i dont remember the passage you're mentioning.....but....its been over 15 years lolBruce wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:25 pmThing is, KissAsylum.com used to have this feature called "Album Focus" discussing the KISStory of the band. It's gone now and a very strange rockumentary version of it is in its place. I believe that the band's story from album to album was converted into a book that someone associated with the site put together and sold. But while it was still on KissAsylum, I read some of what Paul and Gene had supposedly done for Eric. The thing is, though, they were very reluctant to bring this up, it seems there's not enough hard facts to back up anything about it. But the gist of it was that Eric had sold his rights, whatever they were, of KISS to Gene & Paul (I guess to songs that he wrote or co-wrote) and this helped pay his medical bills. Also, Gene & Paul (or maybe just Gene) bought Eric a Porche, early on (as a birthday present, maybe?) and this car, too, got sold. To whom it was sold, I can't honestly remember. I've looked all over the net for a similar assemblage of information on what the band was up to over the years, but have found nothing else like what KA had. I believe this was the book it became, though:Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:11 pmBruce wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:00 am Bill Aucoin reportedly discussed this in an Interview:
http://www.gcent.info/kissaholics/intvi ... aucoin.htm
Q- Is it true that before Eric Carr died that he was treated poorly by the band?
Bill-" In amongst they were canceling everything to do with KISS, which meant that his medical insurance was going to be canceled.
............and now back to our regularly scheduled program.....(yes i know, i am one of the primary belligerents in this threads' digression, my bad)............
i can see a scenario like this unfolding. given KISS' piss poor god awful financial state of affairs from the late 80s on, this seems entirely plausible to me.
https://www.amazon.com/Kiss-Album-Focus ... R8MZR5CDY9
so Eric was effectively out of the band anyway, and the cancelling of his coverage was just one of the worst possible coincidences? DAMN!!
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Yeah, Eric was kind of thrown under the bus, I guess you could say. Gene, in particular, when he's asked about Eric Carr, will say that its an emotional subject for him. He'd claimed that Eric was his friend. I don't have any information on it, myself, but Gene does talk about it, a little bit:
"KISS' GENE SIMMONS: Why We Fired ERIC CARR On His Deathbed"
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kiss-g ... -deathbed/
"KISS' GENE SIMMONS: Why We Fired ERIC CARR On His Deathbed"
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kiss-g ... -deathbed/
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The US government providing shitty service? Surely that would never happen....no no, it would be a magical utopia where everything is free and everyone lives happily ever after just like Sweden and Canada!rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:22 pm Brazil has this kind of (communist) politics since day one.
A country that you pay taxes for shitty services. Where you pay for others that dont work. A country who laws protect more bandits than good people. (You can get away with murder and rape in 5, 6 years) Human rights will always defend murders and rapist. If you are a minor, you dont go to jail. Even if you rape, kill, toss fire in a baby. Whatever. You're a kid. You must be protected. A country where around 500 cops die every year. A country where everybody is welcome. Just come and start working..whatever. We don't care. Nobody has a job, you wont either.
Thats why we are desperate trying to put a conservative as president this year. Because the last one suffered impeachment..and the other is in jail. Both from the 'Workers Party'. Here we dont have Side A and Side B..we have a lot of parties. Just two really right winged. Most left and extreme left, like the Communist Party (Yeah they are still alive here)
look at us and enjoy your future. At least you will be good soccer players (for some years).
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This is another aspect I never understood, the whole "well we have to carry on" thing. They couldn't have waited like 6 more months to record Revenge? Where they under some strict contractual obligation to make the album right that second? Do you really think if Paul or Gene got cancer that they would have continued on without either of them?Bruce wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:39 pm Yeah, Eric was kind of thrown under the bus, I guess you could say. Gene, in particular, when he's asked about Eric Carr, will say that its an emotional subject for him. He'd claimed that Eric was his friend. I don't have any information on it, myself, but Gene does talk about it, a little bit:
"KISS' GENE SIMMONS: Why We Fired ERIC CARR On His Deathbed"
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kiss-g ... -deathbed/
I can't find the clip but I swear there was audio of Gene, I think it might have been from Eddie Trunks show, saying that since they fired Eric then he was removed from their insurance but him and Paul continued to pay for his medical bills out of their own pockets. Either way the fact that they admitted to firing him while he was in the hospital is pretty shitty, especially considering they've said before that they told him "just get better and when you're healthy you can come right back" which obviously was bullshit. Seriously what the hell is wrong with them?
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Wanting Bob Ezrin to produce may, in fact, have put serious time pressures on Revenge, due to his schedule. As to why Gene & Paul handled things the way they did with Eric, I don't know. I can only imagine Eric being in denial, to some degree, perhaps overly optimistic about his outcome, and pressuring Gene & Paul with questions about holding off recording until he gets better and they might have been uncomfortable for personal, even legal, reasons making up excuses, or whatever. I know I don't have any special knowledge of the event, but I can see there being a lot of uneasiness and uncertainty and maybe even fear involved. People don't deal with death very well, especially if they're not obligated to do so. I'm not trying to excuse anything, just saying that it seems to have happened rather quickly and was very emotional for all involved. Someone dying in the band was not a situation Paul & Gene had even remotely looked at, I'm sure.
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It's for the greater good of all. People shouldn't have to lose their homes and savings, because of medical expensive. That's disgusting quite frankly in a country like America.
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hey '84......what happened?rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:22 pm Brazil has this kind of (communist) politics since day one.
A country that you pay taxes for shitty services. Where you pay for others that dont work. A country who laws protect more bandits than good people. (You can get away with murder and rape in 5, 6 years) Human rights will always defend murders and rapist. If you are a minor, you dont go to jail. Even if you rape, kill, toss fire in a baby. Whatever. You're a kid. You must be protected. A country where around 500 cops die every year. A country where everybody is welcome. Just come and start working..whatever. We don't care. Nobody has a job, you wont either.
Thats why we are desperate trying to put a conservative as president this year. Because the last one suffered impeachment..and the other is in jail. Both from the 'Workers Party'. Here we dont have Side A and Side B..we have a lot of parties. Just two really right winged. Most left and extreme left, like the Communist Party (Yeah they are still alive here)
look at us and enjoy your future. At least you will be good soccer players (for some years).
i was a business major less than a decade ago, and Brasil was touted as a rising economic power (the whole BRIC thing and whatnot) to help balance things out at the world poker table at the time in several classes i had.......
what happened? honestly curious here.
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Well..its very complicated to explain how Brazil works..but our government has an excessive control, we have A LOT of taxes and we have only one oil company controled by the government.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:31 pmhey '84......what happened?rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:22 pm Brazil has this kind of (communist) politics since day one.
A country that you pay taxes for shitty services. Where you pay for others that dont work. A country who laws protect more bandits than good people. (You can get away with murder and rape in 5, 6 years) Human rights will always defend murders and rapist. If you are a minor, you dont go to jail. Even if you rape, kill, toss fire in a baby. Whatever. You're a kid. You must be protected. A country where around 500 cops die every year. A country where everybody is welcome. Just come and start working..whatever. We don't care. Nobody has a job, you wont either.
Thats why we are desperate trying to put a conservative as president this year. Because the last one suffered impeachment..and the other is in jail. Both from the 'Workers Party'. Here we dont have Side A and Side B..we have a lot of parties. Just two really right winged. Most left and extreme left, like the Communist Party (Yeah they are still alive here)
look at us and enjoy your future. At least you will be good soccer players (for some years).
i was a business major less than a decade ago, and Brasil was touted as a rising economic power (the whole BRIC thing and whatnot) to help balance things out at the world poker table at the time in several classes i had.......
what happened? honestly curious here.
Just to explain the taxes: We have to work half of the year to pay them. Yes. Half of the year just to pay taxes.
A car produced here in Brazil is sold in Mexico for half of the price we buy it here.
Our gasoline produced here, and sold by Petrobras in Paraguay is half of the price that we buy it here.
When I buy something on EBAY if it is more than 50 bucks, I have to pay 60% of the product's value to customs.
Petrobras is our oil company and it belongs to the government. So the board of directors is put there by politicians. What happened was, Petrobras was the politicians major ATM. The company money was used to pay Worker's Party politicians an (illegal) extra salary.
Petrobras has the monopoly of oil. So no different prices will be ever put out.
We also had a lot of corruption schemes with contruction companies. For instance : When they were doing the world cup, they opened the competition to select which construction company would do it. To earn the contract, the company would pay to the politicians involved a large amount of money to win it.
So that stadium that should cost 1 million, now will cost 10. The government will pay much more to the company (its people's money, so whatever lets pay) so they get their cut, and the contruction companies owner have their money also.
And this happens with ANY construction building the government will build..even hospitals.
The politicians also cost A LOT..they have huge salaries, but its not enough to them.
EACH congressman (we have like 500 - Federals - We still have state congressmen and senators) earns:
$10.000 month salarie
$1000 per month to help with house/apartment rent (or they can choose to have one for free)
$25000 to expent with employees per month (they can hire 25 employees)
$10000 month to expent with food, car and office.
(values already in dollars - 1 Dollar = 4 Reais)
Its just a small view of what happens here.
They expend the entire country money with nothing.
They build hospitals that dont work
They build schools that are not opened
Stadiums that nobody is using and are already falling apart
Just because they earn money with these contructions companies.
It turned Brazil to total bankrupcy.
but oh..the marvelous communist government gave the poor a solution:
$25 bucks month for the poorest. You receive $25 for each kid you have. So these people will have more kids just to earn more. Most of them dont know how to read or write, will take the money to do everything but eat.
You keep half of the country without education, so you can have their vote again and again...You get a million bucks..and give the your crumbs.
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Eddie Trunk knows. He has all the figures, which Eric told him personally. Eddie knows how horrible Gene and Paul were to him. Eddie hates KISS. But he used to be the biggest KISS fan in the world. But not now. He only likes Ace and Peter. And he was best friends with Eric Carr. He knows all about it - and he will tell the next caller who asks. But he hates KISS now
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We need the money for our "Space Force".....maybe Ace will be commissioned as a GeneralKrazySwede wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:55 pm Yeah that's really the thing that makes me wonder about America - how a country can not implement basic stuff like healthcare and education so it makes it affordable for all groups of society.
It's not a political thing thing for me, it's just common decency towards your fellow countryman.....
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Google Groups has a topic called:
"More insight on Eric Carr's death"
Whether these are informed opinions on the matter, I do not know. But here, it is claimed that:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... jYIMFgLLR8
"Below is many reliable sources and from the looks of things, Eric wasn't
even fired and his medical insurance wasn't cancelled. Even Gene and
Paul were advancing money to Eric Carr to help with medical bills."
"More insight on Eric Carr's death"
Whether these are informed opinions on the matter, I do not know. But here, it is claimed that:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... jYIMFgLLR8
"Below is many reliable sources and from the looks of things, Eric wasn't
even fired and his medical insurance wasn't cancelled. Even Gene and
Paul were advancing money to Eric Carr to help with medical bills."
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wow. fascinating.....and shitty. you'rea a decent guy, im sorry to hear it.rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:18 pmWell..its very complicated to explain how Brazil works..but our government has an excessive control, we have A LOT of taxes and we have only one oil company controled by the government.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:31 pmhey '84......what happened?rewind84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:22 pm Brazil has this kind of (communist) politics since day one.
A country that you pay taxes for shitty services. Where you pay for others that dont work. A country who laws protect more bandits than good people. (You can get away with murder and rape in 5, 6 years) Human rights will always defend murders and rapist. If you are a minor, you dont go to jail. Even if you rape, kill, toss fire in a baby. Whatever. You're a kid. You must be protected. A country where around 500 cops die every year. A country where everybody is welcome. Just come and start working..whatever. We don't care. Nobody has a job, you wont either.
Thats why we are desperate trying to put a conservative as president this year. Because the last one suffered impeachment..and the other is in jail. Both from the 'Workers Party'. Here we dont have Side A and Side B..we have a lot of parties. Just two really right winged. Most left and extreme left, like the Communist Party (Yeah they are still alive here)
look at us and enjoy your future. At least you will be good soccer players (for some years).
i was a business major less than a decade ago, and Brasil was touted as a rising economic power (the whole BRIC thing and whatnot) to help balance things out at the world poker table at the time in several classes i had.......
what happened? honestly curious here.
Just to explain the taxes: We have to work half of the year to pay them. Yes. Half of the year just to pay taxes.
A car produced here in Brazil is sold in Mexico for half of the price we buy it here.
Our gasoline produced here, and sold by Petrobras in Paraguay is half of the price that we buy it here.
When I buy something on EBAY if it is more than 50 bucks, I have to pay 60% of the product's value to customs.
Petrobras is our oil company and it belongs to the government. So the board of directors is put there by politicians. What happened was, Petrobras was the politicians major ATM. The company money was used to pay Worker's Party politicians an (illegal) extra salary.
Petrobras has the monopoly of oil. So no different prices will be ever put out.
We also had a lot of corruption schemes with contruction companies. For instance : When they were doing the world cup, they opened the competition to select which construction company would do it. To earn the contract, the company would pay to the politicians involved a large amount of money to win it.
So that stadium that should cost 1 million, now will cost 10. The government will pay much more to the company (its people's money, so whatever lets pay) so they get their cut, and the contruction companies owner have their money also.
And this happens with ANY construction building the government will build..even hospitals.
The politicians also cost A LOT..they have huge salaries, but its not enough to them.
EACH congressman (we have like 500 - Federals - We still have state congressmen and senators) earns:
$10.000 month salarie
$1000 per month to help with house/apartment rent (or they can choose to have one for free)
$25000 to expent with employees per month (they can hire 25 employees)
$10000 month to expent with food, car and office.
(values already in dollars - 1 Dollar = 4 Reais)
Its just a small view of what happens here.
They expend the entire country money with nothing.
They build hospitals that dont work
They build schools that are not opened
Stadiums that nobody is using and are already falling apart
Just because they earn money with these contructions companies.
It turned Brazil to total bankrupcy.
but oh..the marvelous communist government gave the poor a solution:
$25 bucks month for the poorest. You receive $25 for each kid you have. So these people will have more kids just to earn more. Most of them dont know how to read or write, will take the money to do everything but eat.
You keep half of the country without education, so you can have their vote again and again...You get a million bucks..and give the your crumbs.
if you want to move up here and help us beat down the soyboy/manbun/beta male crowd before they make my country like yours, you are welcome!
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To, hopefully, bring some levity to this discussion: here's Eric in the hospital, months before he passed away, actually, apparently a little bored there and playing with a camcorder ...
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Many people are willing to give up if this year's election goes wrong.
But there's hope.
When a side starts to exaggerate on their plot, the other one starts to rise. You can tolerate until a certain point. But when this line is crossed you started to get pissed.
Brazil was many years assaulted by left politicians, now people wants back conservative values again..because we lost control.
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there's a similar vibe up here. but our leftists keeping stooping to incredible new lows, trying to maintain their agenda. November is going to be huge.rewind84 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:47 pmMany people are willing to give up if this year's election goes wrong.
But there's hope.
When a side starts to exaggerate on their plot, the other one starts to rise. You can tolerate until a certain point. But when this line is crossed you started to get pissed.
Brazil was many years assaulted by left politicians, now people wants back conservative values again..because we lost control.
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Sounds like Brazil is a write off across the board no matter who is in power. Have you considered leaving?rewind84 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:47 pmMany people are willing to give up if this year's election goes wrong.
But there's hope.
When a side starts to exaggerate on their plot, the other one starts to rise. You can tolerate until a certain point. But when this line is crossed you started to get pissed.
Brazil was many years assaulted by left politicians, now people wants back conservative values again..because we lost control.
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WTf type of false info are you spreading? We pay more for gum because of the dollar exchange rate If anyone wants real facts let me know. Here is an example. I can walk over to my doctor and if I don't have an appt I can see him within an hour for free. I had a surgery 3 months ago and it was not life threatening, I got in in a month. I paid for nothing except parking at the hospital. We have income tax and provincial taxes that cover our health care. Healthcare takes about 50% of GDP it is very expensive. I live in Alberta no fees where as Ontario has a healthcare tax that come off your pay. If you want a prescription it is free out of the hospital but not from a drug store you need insurance or pay. Extras like crutches and thing can have a price tag.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:43 amNot true at all. Even if you are not working, or you are a lazy ass or you are on welfare - you still buy things to stay alive like food. A pack of gum costs more in Canada, because you are paying into healthcare, etc. Every purchase pays into the system.ZachAttack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:39 amThat's only free to people who don't workSilver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 am
I take it you are not in favor of a system that everyone pays into and healthcare is "free" for all.
Semi-private and private rooms have a fee. There is so much more I could cover but never will I ever have to fear going to the doctor because I can't afford it. The average tax rate for a Canadian I believe is hovering around 38% of your income. BY the way the lazy or on welfare comment is pretty sad to say the least.
As for every purchase pays into the system is not true either because some of our purchases are tax exempt.
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I never said drugs were free, etc. But even still, drugs are much cheaper in Canada vs. America even without insurance.aceshigh wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:42 pmWTf type of false info are you spreading? We pay more for gum because of the dollar exchange rate If anyone wants real facts let me know. Here is an example. I can walk over to my doctor and if I don't have an appt I can see him within an hour for free. I had a surgery 3 months ago and it was not life threatening, I got in in a month. I paid for nothing except parking at the hospital. We have income tax and provincial taxes that cover our health care. Healthcare takes about 50% of GDP it is very expensive. I live in Alberta no fees where as Ontario has a healthcare tax that come off your pay. If you want a prescription it is free out of the hospital but not from a drug store you need insurance or pay. Extras like crutches and thing can have a price tag.Silver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:43 amNot true at all. Even if you are not working, or you are a lazy ass or you are on welfare - you still buy things to stay alive like food. A pack of gum costs more in Canada, because you are paying into healthcare, etc. Every purchase pays into the system.ZachAttack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:39 amThat's only free to people who don't workSilver Lights wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:08 am
I take it you are not in favor of a system that everyone pays into and healthcare is "free" for all.
Semi-private and private rooms have a fee. There is so much more I could cover but never will I ever have to fear going to the doctor because I can't afford it. The average tax rate for a Canadian I believe is hovering around 38% of your income. BY the way the lazy or on welfare comment is pretty sad to say the least.
As for every purchase pays into the system is not true either because some of our purchases are tax exempt.
The shit you are talking about like private rooms are extra perks you can pay for if you want extra comfort by not having someone in the room with you coughing all night. Like anything in life - if you have the money, you can pay for any extra "add ons" you want, but it is not required.
Alberta - Canada's Texas.
I bet you are a big fan of The Rebel.
Everyone pays more in taxes for the greater good in Canada, even if some (a very small percentage) take advantage of the system. You can't avoid that no matter what health care system you have. I don't lose my shit due to people who are on welfare or who don't work. The good overall completely outweighs the bad in every possible way.
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What a load of crap. I live in Australia, and whilst our public Healthcare systems can sometimes have its flaws, (mainly due to increasing population, and an ageing one) it still rips the US apart.Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:55 ammy propaganda is derived from reading comments sections on articles dealing with this sort of thing, from people who live there and can attest to its effective/ineffectivenessSpiritual_Chaos wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:44 amI don't know where you get your "they say"-information/propaganda, but have you even seen statistics on healthcare in the world?Klankh79 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:19 am the ONLY thing i agree with the Regressive Left on, is that health care and college education should NOT be among the most expensive things you can buy on the fucking planet. "free" makes absolutely no sense tho.
as for countries with socialized healthcare im torn. i dont know whether to believe in its effectiveness or not. are the mechanics of it as bad as some reports suggest? they say you can die of the common cold while waiting to see a Dr. in Canada.....
Countries with tax funded healthcare (obviously) have good healthcare.
This is from 2015:
Neither Canada nor Japan cracked the top 10, and the United States finished a dismal 35th, according to a much anticipated ranking of healthcare quality in 195 countries, released Friday.
Among nations with more than a million souls, top honours for 2015 went to Switzerland, followed by Sweden and Norway, though the healthcare gold standard remains tiny Andorra, a postage stamp of a country nestled between Spain (No. and France (No. 15).
Iceland (No. 2), Australia (No. 6), Finland (No. 7), the Netherlands (No. 9) and financial and banking centre Luxembourg rounded out the first 10 finishers, according to a comprehensive study published in the medical journal The Lancet.
Of the 20 countries heading up the list, all but Australia and Japan (No. 11) are in western Europe, where virtually every nation boasts some form of universal health coverage.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-05- ... hcare.html
I would rather bring up a family here in OZ, than the US any day of the week.
p.s FIX your gun controls too.
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J-Lefty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:05 pmWe need the money for our "Space Force".....maybe Ace will be commissioned as a GeneralKrazySwede wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:55 pm Yeah that's really the thing that makes me wonder about America - how a country can not implement basic stuff like healthcare and education so it makes it affordable for all groups of society.
It's not a political thing thing for me, it's just common decency towards your fellow countryman.....
NICE! You can't spell Space without ACE. Plus, he won't need shades in space.
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ITT we learn a lot about US ignorance.