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Ace discusses the origins of the KISS logo and whether or not it was pro-Nazi.

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But Stanley has said outright that the band’s other two original members, guitarist Ace Frehley and drummer Peter Criss ― who have previously been fired from the band ...

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Ace Frehley Addresses Theory About The Famous KISS Logo

Todd Van Luling Senior Staff Writer, The Huffington Post

The often ignored conversation surrounding KISS and the Nazis.

In May, I wrote a story about the crooked lines in arguably the most recognizable logo in music: the all-caps “KISS.”

The story focused on a typographical mistake ― Paul Stanley, aka Starchild, told me the two S’s in the logo weren’t perfectly parallel because he drew them by eye. What the piece didn’t mention, however, was a long-held theory that the two S’s in what’s arguably the most popular band logo in history are an homage to the World War II Nazi troop Schutzstaffel, or “The SS.”

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The Kiss logo next the Schutzstaffel logo.

Inarguably, the repeating S’s in the The SS logo resemble those in KISS’s, as they appear to be two lightning bolts side by side. Between 1979 and 1980, the similarities became too much for the German government, which began confiscating albums and banned the KISS logo entirely. (The band eventually had to create a separate Germany-specific logo that features two backward Z’s.)

Less attention has been paid to the logos’ likenesses in the United States. A cursory Google search surfaces little additional information on the topic. When famed music journalist Chuck Klosterman wrote a 10,000-plus-word feature for ESPN’s Grantland about the band, titled “The Definitive, One-Size-Fits-All, Accept-No Substitutes, Massively Comprehensive Guide To The Life And Times Of Kiss,” he didn’t use the word “Nazi” once.

The resemblances might be easier to brush aside as mere coincidence, if not for the band’s seemingly complicated relationship with Nazism. Stanley and fellow lead vocalist Gene Simmons are both Jewish, and Simmons’ mother is a Holocaust survivor. But Stanley has said outright that the band’s other two original members, guitarist Ace Frehley and drummer Peter Criss ― who have previously been fired from the band ― displayed anti-Semitic tendencies during the group’s earlier days.

Frehley, in particular, has had a questionable reported relationship with Nazism in the past. Stanley and Simmons have both said Frehley not only owned Nazi memorabilia during that early time, but used it to play cruel jokes.

“Ace had a fascination with Nazi memorabilia, and in his drunken stupors he and his best friend would make videotapes of themselves dressed up as Nazis,” Simmons wrote in his 2002 autobiography, Kiss and Make-up.

In the autobiography, Simmons went on to detail a particularly dark prank Frehley pulled where he burst into his hotel room in a Nazi uniform, saluted Simmons and yelled “Heil Hitler!” into his face. Frehley has claimed that both Criss and Stanley wore Nazi uniforms with him and joined in on this prank. Unconfirmed photographic evidence seems to support the claim. (The Huffington Post has reached out to Gene Simmons for a comment.)

Frehley’s apparent past interest in Nazism, per his bandmates’ accounts, is relevant for one reason: He was the person who created the original idea for the KISS logo. “I designed the logo,” Frehley told Guitar World in 2014, when he expressed frustration that Stanley was trying to take credit for it. “All [Stanley] did was draw straighter lines,” Frehley added.

In my conversation with Stanley earlier this year, he confirmed this account, saying, “The initial concept of the logo was Ace’s.”

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A Nazi funeral in 1942.

Frehley has said little about the potential Nazi connection over the years, but in 2011, Eric Spitznagel of MTV managed to ask about it. Frehley claimed then that the connection was “absolutely false.”

“I’ll go on record saying it wasn’t modeled after Hitler or Nazis,” Frehley said of the logo, adding, “I want to go on record saying I don’t believe in Hitler or his ideology or anything he stood for.”

Later in the interview, though, Frehley said, “Regardless of whether or not you agree with Hitler’s ideology, there was still something fascinating about his costumes. I always thought they had the coolest costumes. It was very fashionable.”

The interview received little attention at the time. So when I got the opportunity to interview Frehley myself, I asked for clarification about his inspiration for the logo, and whether it was a subtle reference to the Schutzstaffel.

Like he did with Spitznagel, Frehley insisted to me the logo is supposed to be lightning bolts because he liked lightning bolts, nothing more.

“Well, you know, if you look at my early costume, everything was lightning bolts and [the S’s are] two lightning bolts,” Frehley said. “It’s just coincidental that The SS has lightning bolts, too. My whole career and my whole costume has had lightning bolts on it. From day one.”

Regarding the ban in Germany, Frehley explained, “It’s the law, what’re you going to do?”

“They took it very seriously, but I think in the U.S. everybody realized it was just an aesthetic design.”

So, here’s what we know: The S’s in the KISS and The SS logos are so near identical that Germany forced the band to make a change; the majority of the founding members of the band likely donned Nazi insignia at least once; the creator of the logo, Frehley, had a go-to Nazi impersonation; and he also deeply admired Nazi fashion.

And here’s what we don’t know: What Frehley was thinking when he drew those S’s.

As an entry point into the conversation with Frehley, I brought up the chat I had earlier this year with Stanley about the origin of the logo. Stanley and Frehley had fought in the years since the KISS farewell tour in 2001. They were were only a couple years removed from Stanley calling him an anti-Semite in 2014. But just earlier this year, the two collaborated on Frehley’s new album “Origins Vol. 1” and seemed to be getting along again.

“I did the logo with a felt tip pen for a couple of KISS ads,” Frehley told me. “And then when it came time to do our record, since Paul is artistically trained, he took my design and just cleaned it up with a rapidograph pen.”

The musician paused for moment, then added with a laugh, “Why? What did he say?”

CORRECTION: A previous version of this article incorrectly stated the KISS farewell tour concluded in 2011 rather than 2001.

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The Huffington Post.. that's like The Onion very nearly.


'Unconfirmed' photographic evidence supports





I'd say this is pretty 'confirmed'.
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Paul paints circles
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PitViper wrote:The Huffington Post.. that's like The Onion very nearly.


'Unconfirmed' photographic evidence supports





I'd say this is pretty 'confirmed'.

I wish Race Baitington Post was a joke like The Onion. Unfortunately, it is not.
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If The Ace digs Nazis then that's assuredly fucked up.

All of the conjecture (Paul's or otherwise) might be nothing more than a Halloween costume coupled with him kidding around. Personally I've been an AWESOME Charles Manson for All Hallows' Eve and it does come with the prerequisite swastika. If it's anything past that...well...I don't know what to make about it.

If nothing else, the quote "Regardless of whether or not you agree with Hitler’s ideology, there was still something fascinating about his costumes. I always thought they had the coolest costumes. It was very fashionable.”...is highly questionable from our former Spaceman.
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I continue to think the Nazi S's were the inspiration for the logo. Just too much circumstantial evidence.

I also don't believe Ace is a Nazi sympathizer or anti-Semite. I think he was just a young kid who thought it looked cool. As he got older, he realized how damaging it could be to associate the band logo with something like that, and so it's been denied. But I definitely believe that was the early inspiration.

In Sean Delaney's book (I know, I know), he says emphatically that he heard the story of the logo's creation many times over, saying Ace most definitely designed it around the SS design. He said it made Gene incredibly angry at first, but that Gene thought if it could conjure that sort of reaction, it must be a powerful image.

Again, I know you have to take Delaney's stories with a grain of salt, but I got the feeling he was more of an embellisher rather than an outright liar. And even without Delaney's account, Ace's fascination with that memorabilia and the uncanny resemblance of his early design to the SS look is just too much circumstantial evidence to be ignored.

It's not something that bothers me, though. Again, I don't think any malice was involved.

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If nothing else, the quote "Regardless of whether or not you agree with Hitler’s ideology, there was still something fascinating about his costumes. I always thought they had the coolest costumes. It was very fashionable.”...is highly questionable from our former Spaceman.


Have to disagree there. Ace is exactly right. The Nazis were absolute branding MASTERS at a time when that sort of thing was very, very new. Their helmets, their tanks, their planes .... the designs on all of that stuff were amazing. Recognizing that shouldn't in any way equate to condoning or supporting Nazis.
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Diss wrote:I continue to think the Nazi S's were the inspiration for the logo. Just too much circumstantial evidence.

I also don't believe Ace is a Nazi sympathizer or anti-Semite. I think he was just a young kid who thought it looked cool. As he got older, he realized how damaging it could be to associate the band logo with something like that, and so it's been denied. But I definitely believe that was the early inspiration.

In Sean Delaney's book (I know, I know), he says emphatically that he heard the story of the logo's creation many times over, saying Ace most definitely designed it around the SS design. He said it made Gene incredibly angry at first, but that Gene thought if it could conjure that sort of reaction, it must be a powerful image.

Again, I know you have to take Delaney's stories with a grain of salt, but I got the feeling he was more of an embellisher rather than an outright liar. And even without Delaney's account, Ace's fascination with that memorabilia and the uncanny resemblance of his early design to the SS look is just too much circumstantial evidence to be ignored.

It's not something that bothers me, though. Again, I don't think any malice was involved.

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If nothing else, the quote "Regardless of whether or not you agree with Hitler’s ideology, there was still something fascinating about his costumes. I always thought they had the coolest costumes. It was very fashionable.”...is highly questionable from our former Spaceman.


Have to disagree there. Ace is exactly right. The Nazis were absolute branding MASTERS at a time when that sort of thing was very, very new. Their helmets, their tanks, their planes .... the designs on all of that stuff were amazing. Recognizing that shouldn't in any way equate to condoning or supporting Nazis.


i agree with all points.....Lemmy loved Nazi fashion too.
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Diss wrote:I continue to think the Nazi S's were the inspiration for the logo. Just too much circumstantial evidence.

I also don't believe Ace is a Nazi sympathizer or anti-Semite. I think he was just a young kid who thought it looked cool. As he got older, he realized how damaging it could be to associate the band logo with something like that, and so it's been denied. But I definitely believe that was the early inspiration.

In Sean Delaney's book (I know, I know), he says emphatically that he heard the story of the logo's creation many times over, saying Ace most definitely designed it around the SS design. He said it made Gene incredibly angry at first, but that Gene thought if it could conjure that sort of reaction, it must be a powerful image.

Again, I know you have to take Delaney's stories with a grain of salt, but I got the feeling he was more of an embellisher rather than an outright liar. And even without Delaney's account, Ace's fascination with that memorabilia and the uncanny resemblance of his early design to the SS look is just too much circumstantial evidence to be ignored.

It's not something that bothers me, though. Again, I don't think any malice was involved.

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If nothing else, the quote "Regardless of whether or not you agree with Hitler’s ideology, there was still something fascinating about his costumes. I always thought they had the coolest costumes. It was very fashionable.”...is highly questionable from our former Spaceman.


Have to disagree there. Ace is exactly right. The Nazis were absolute branding MASTERS at a time when that sort of thing was very, very new. Their helmets, their tanks, their planes .... the designs on all of that stuff were amazing. Recognizing that shouldn't in any way equate to condoning or supporting Nazis.


I'm not even trying to discuss the Nazis or their fashion sense. Personally I find it hard to see anything redeeming in such animals. If someone does I find it odd. That's not what I'm zeroing in on.

The thing I find questionable is that when pressed directly about the SS in KISS or any possible anti Semitism on his part he denies it nine ways 'till Sunday. Then he wraps it up with, "But boy those Nazis sure looked cool!" If you do feel that way, (even though you still disagree with the ideology) it was assuredly not the time and place.
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nibbler1982 wrote:If The Ace digs Nazis then that's assuredly fucked up.



im not so sure he digs nazis. a buddy of mine is in love with history and nazi history is part of it. he's just fascinated by the designs, clothing etc. just like ace is.

nothing wrong with that.


now if ace going to nazi rallies....then that's not gonna fly with anyone.
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You know who designed the Nazi uniforms? Hugo Boss. Yes, that Hugo Boss. They brought in a fashion designer to do their uniforms.

And Ace's best friend Bobby McAdams (who gave Ace the 'flash and ability' guitarist wanted ad and told him to try out) confirmed the Nazi link two decades ago. It is what it is. Ace trying to be edgy as a kid and later denying it and saying it was always lightning bolts. Maybe he's says that so long now he actually believes it.
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I can look at old clips of OJ Simpson and admire the aesthetic value of his skills as a running back. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a POS murderer.
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Diss wrote:I can look at old clips of OJ Simpson and admire the aesthetic value of his skills as a running back. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a POS murderer.



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Well alright then, let's hear it for the Nazis.

They make the attire of Saddam Hussein's People's Party, Idi Amin's PSU, and Osama Bin Laden's mujahideen PALE in comparison.

Personally...I think "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular" was one hell of a snazzy dresser.

I guess there's some good in everybody.
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scotty_rhoads wrote:
nibbler1982 wrote:If The Ace digs Nazis then that's assuredly fucked up.



im not so sure he digs nazis. a buddy of mine is in love with history and nazi history is part of it. he's just fascinated by the designs, clothing etc. just like ace is.

nothing wrong with that.


now if ace going to nazi rallies....then that's not gonna fly with anyone.


I personally remember decades ago, my old man came home with an ss helmet he found at a swap meet that I think was an original, and we always appreciated its historical significance, not because we were some sort of neo-nazi assholes.

And after that, we never brandished it or wore it, and it now sits somewhere in my basement collecting dust.

So ya like you said, appreciating history and running around shouting white power are two HIGHLY different things.
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scotty_rhoads wrote:
nibbler1982 wrote:If The Ace digs Nazis then that's assuredly fucked up.



im not so sure he digs nazis. a buddy of mine is in love with history and nazi history is part of it. he's just fascinated by the designs, clothing etc. just like ace is.

nothing wrong with that.


now if ace going to nazi rallies....then that's not gonna fly with anyone.


I personally remember decades ago, my old man came home with an ss helmet he found at a swap meet that I think was an original, and we always appreciated its historical significance, not because we were some sort of neo-nazi assholes.

And after that, we never brandished it or wore it, and it now sits somewhere in my basement collecting dust.

So ya like you said, appreciating history and running around shouting white power are two HIGHLY different things.


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Frehleys Hero wrote:
scotty_rhoads wrote:
nibbler1982 wrote:If The Ace digs Nazis then that's assuredly fucked up.



im not so sure he digs nazis. a buddy of mine is in love with history and nazi history is part of it. he's just fascinated by the designs, clothing etc. just like ace is.

nothing wrong with that.


now if ace going to nazi rallies....then that's not gonna fly with anyone.


I personally remember decades ago, my old man came home with an ss helmet he found at a swap meet that I think was an original, and we always appreciated its historical significance, not because we were some sort of neo-nazi assholes.

And after that, we never brandished it or wore it, and it now sits somewhere in my basement collecting dust.

So ya like you said, appreciating history and running around shouting white power are two HIGHLY different things.


I don't have anything to add to the discussion other than the fact that, per the topic, I bust out laughing when I scrolled down and all of a sudden saw your Schultz avatar. :lol:
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"the SS represents my heritage and KI represents you two kykes"
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sugardaddy wrote:"the SS represents my heritage and KI represents you two kykes"

Well... Peter is Italian, so does that make each of them an S? [I'm joking; I highly doubt that's the reason behind the logo.]
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While it's true that law in Germany forbids to use Nazi-symbols, it wasn't the government "forcing" KISS to change their logo - the record company did.

In a press release dated august 1980, Phonogram representatives Roland Kommerell and Dr. Gerhard Weber were cited: "The reason we forced Kiss' management to agree with a change of the logo lies in the undenyable similarity of the now "old" KISS logo and a nazi symbol (...). Given the fact that, according to german law, one is not allowed to use and spread nazi-symbols of any kind, we like to distance ourselves from the suspect of serving the spreading of Nazi symbolism."

Later on the press release states "as the old logo is a trademark world wide (...), it wasn't an easy decision to make for the group."
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The Demon wrote:
Frehleys Hero wrote:
scotty_rhoads wrote:
nibbler1982 wrote:If The Ace digs Nazis then that's assuredly fucked up.



im not so sure he digs nazis. a buddy of mine is in love with history and nazi history is part of it. he's just fascinated by the designs, clothing etc. just like ace is.

nothing wrong with that.


now if ace going to nazi rallies....then that's not gonna fly with anyone.


I personally remember decades ago, my old man came home with an ss helmet he found at a swap meet that I think was an original, and we always appreciated its historical significance, not because we were some sort of neo-nazi assholes.

And after that, we never brandished it or wore it, and it now sits somewhere in my basement collecting dust.

So ya like you said, appreciating history and running around shouting white power are two HIGHLY different things.


I don't have anything to add to the discussion other than the fact that, per the topic, I bust out laughing when I scrolled down and all of a sudden saw your Schultz avatar. :lol:


I aware of how bad it looks, however my paternal grandmother is native Polish, so I am no promoter of anything nazi by any means.

As for Schultz, i'll just say I KNOW NOTHING!
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It is clear what those so called 'lightening bolts' were based on. Could someone please post anybody else's art in the 70's who drew lightening bolts like that???? They always had tapered ends. KISS in their quest for fame courted controversy. ACE always had a fascination for the Nazi's (as did many others), In the 70's particually, the Nazi's imagery was considered cool due to its rebel outcast connotations. Many bikies wore germen helmets and they still can be seen wearing them today. Later on Marilyn Manson tapped heavily into the look, as did elements of the anti-establishment punk movement. Alot of people thought swastikas looked cool as they were able to provoke a reaction. Who said the secret to success was to offend the most number of people? The Nazi's in their Hugo Boss designed uniforms were highly fashionable and girls would fall head over heels for an SS man. The Nazis seduced the german people in no small part with their imagery. Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it!

Here's a quote from Lemmy....
Lemmy stated, "I'll tell you something about history. From the beginning of time, the bad guys always had the best uniforms. Napoleon, the Confederates, the Nazis. They all had killer uniforms. I mean, the SS uniform is fucking brilliant! They were the rock stars of that time. What are you gonna do? They just look good. Don't tell me I'm a Nazi 'cause I have uniforms. In 1967 I had my first black girlfriend and a lot more ever since then. I just don't understand racism, I never thought it was an option."
Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/distur ... yG0Hszp.99


Its proof of Aces successful art that the issue still gets debated some 40 years after the fact and the KISS logo is just as recognised as the SS logo.
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I would find it surprising that Ace wanted to to make such a statement about being pro-Nazi as to create his band's logo to look like their logo, and then never publicly mention Nazis until asked about it over 40 years later. Seems if he wanted to push Nazi ideals we would hear about it all the time from him. Same as the whole Satanic bullshit. If Kiss were Satanic, they would be singing songs about Satanism, not torpedo girls, love guns, and my charisma. I hardly think Gene Simmons, with his mom coming from the camps, would look at that logo and say "oh yeah it does look like the Nazi logo, but sure, I'll brand everything my band ever does with it". Really? He's going to do that? His mom sees the album cover, says "what's this Genie" and he says "nothing ma', our guitar player just likes Nazis, but I told him that was BAD".
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MintCat wrote:I would find it surprising that Ace wanted to to make such a statement about being pro-Nazi as to create his band's logo to look like their logo, and then never publicly mention Nazis until asked about it over 40 years later. Seems if he wanted to push Nazi ideals we would hear about it all the time from him. Same as the whole Satanic bullshit. If Kiss were Satanic, they would be singing songs about Satanism, not torpedo girls, love guns, and my charisma. I hardly think Gene Simmons, with his mom coming from the camps, would look at that logo and say "oh yeah it does look like the Nazi logo, but sure, I'll brand everything my band ever does with it". Really? He's going to do that? His mom sees the album cover, says "what's this Genie" and he says "nothing ma', our guitar player just likes Nazis, but I told him that was BAD".

So, to play devil's advocate, what was Ace doing when talking about German and Japanese model airplanes and then puts his arm up and gets told, "Don't do it" on Tom Snyder?
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Re: Ace Frehley Addresses Theory About The Famous KISS Logo

MintCat wrote:I would find it surprising that Ace wanted to to make such a statement about being pro-Nazi as to create his band's logo to look like their logo, and then never publicly mention Nazis until asked about it over 40 years later. Seems if he wanted to push Nazi ideals we would hear about it all the time from him. Same as the whole Satanic bullshit. If Kiss were Satanic, they would be singing songs about Satanism, not torpedo girls, love guns, and my charisma. I hardly think Gene Simmons, with his mom coming from the camps, would look at that logo and say "oh yeah it does look like the Nazi logo, but sure, I'll brand everything my band ever does with it". Really? He's going to do that? His mom sees the album cover, says "what's this Genie" and he says "nothing ma', our guitar player just likes Nazis, but I told him that was BAD".


Just because you use a swastika or SS runes to shock people and get a reaction does NOT mean you are pro nazi
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Post Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:48 am

Re: Ace Frehley Addresses Theory About The Famous KISS Logo

Of course it's the nazi SS. Also stylized after two lightning bolts. It's pretty obvious, c'mon. Rock'n'roll always borrows from the subversive, and rock'n'roll jews think nothing of playing dressup with nazi attire. If it weren't the case, Kiss would never have a costume party in Japan OR Criss and Frehley in the band. I really doubt Motorhead and Sex Pistols were nazis.
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Post Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:39 am

Re: Ace Frehley Addresses Theory About The Famous KISS Logo

LordThurisaz wrote:
MintCat wrote:I would find it surprising that Ace wanted to to make such a statement about being pro-Nazi as to create his band's logo to look like their logo, and then never publicly mention Nazis until asked about it over 40 years later. Seems if he wanted to push Nazi ideals we would hear about it all the time from him. Same as the whole Satanic bullshit. If Kiss were Satanic, they would be singing songs about Satanism, not torpedo girls, love guns, and my charisma. I hardly think Gene Simmons, with his mom coming from the camps, would look at that logo and say "oh yeah it does look like the Nazi logo, but sure, I'll brand everything my band ever does with it". Really? He's going to do that? His mom sees the album cover, says "what's this Genie" and he says "nothing ma', our guitar player just likes Nazis, but I told him that was BAD".

So, to play devil's advocate, what was Ace doing when talking about German and Japanese model airplanes and then puts his arm up and gets told, "Don't do it" on Tom Snyder?



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