Round two of Gene vs the piratesCrimson Harpoon wrote:If Gene thinks anyone is actually going to pay $10k for a box set of his demos, he is utterly delusional. The only way this is a financial model that could be successful would be if selling a grand total of one covers the cost of production.Erwin wrote:$10.000 ÷ 150 demos =
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$66.6666666667
A financial model that works!
My money is on the pirates. They haven't really lost thus far.Erwin wrote:Round two of Gene vs the piratesCrimson Harpoon wrote:If Gene thinks anyone is actually going to pay $10k for a box set of his demos, he is utterly delusional. The only way this is a financial model that could be successful would be if selling a grand total of one covers the cost of production.Erwin wrote:$10.000 ÷ 150 demos =
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A financial model that works!
Agreed. He's said and done some ridiculous things, but asking ten grand for demos would take the cake.Crimson Harpoon wrote: If Gene thinks anyone is actually going to pay $10k for a box set of his demos, he is utterly delusional. The only way this is a financial model that could be successful would be if selling a grand total of one covers the cost of production.
I'm calling BSStarChildBlade wrote:Me. And it's not a rumor. This is real info from a friend of mine who works with the agency that shopped Gene's proposal to record labels. Rhino signed on.Ace_Invader wrote:Where did this "$10k" pricetag rumor come from?
Sigh..... It's happening.sicksickphil wrote:I'm calling BSStarChildBlade wrote:Me. And it's not a rumor. This is real info from a friend of mine who works with the agency that shopped Gene's proposal to record labels. Rhino signed on.Ace_Invader wrote:Where did this "$10k" pricetag rumor come from?
Don't be ridiculous.StarChildBlade wrote:Sigh..... It's happening.sicksickphil wrote:I'm calling BSStarChildBlade wrote:Me. And it's not a rumor. This is real info from a friend of mine who works with the agency that shopped Gene's proposal to record labels. Rhino signed on.Ace_Invader wrote:Where did this "$10k" pricetag rumor come from?
I'm not. I've been a member of this board for a long time and never have I caused waves or lied about anything. Was just passing along some inside info.Under The Rose wrote:Don't be ridiculous.StarChildBlade wrote:Sigh..... It's happening.sicksickphil wrote:I'm calling BSStarChildBlade wrote:Me. And it's not a rumor. This is real info from a friend of mine who works with the agency that shopped Gene's proposal to record labels. Rhino signed on.Ace_Invader wrote:Where did this "$10k" pricetag rumor come from?
I don't think it's a lie, but I think it is a total misunderstanding. No way on earth would they price a box of demos at $10,000. It makes zero sense.StarChildBlade wrote:I'm not. I've been a member of this board for a long time and never have I caused waves or lied about anything. Was just passing along some inside info.Under The Rose wrote:Don't be ridiculous.StarChildBlade wrote:Sigh..... It's happening.sicksickphil wrote:I'm calling BSStarChildBlade wrote:Me. And it's not a rumor. This is real info from a friend of mine who works with the agency that shopped Gene's proposal to record labels. Rhino signed on.Ace_Invader wrote:Where did this "$10k" pricetag rumor come from?
Then again, there was the Monster flip-book for $4000 or so, all on its own, but this time Gene's got 12 Hours of pure listening pleasure for you, haha. Maybe the box is made of platinum.Under The Rose wrote:I don't think it's a lie, but I think it is a total misunderstanding. No way on earth would they price a box of demos at $10,000. It makes zero sense.
He originally spoke of 100 tracks, and now it's 150. Would that be just about...Everything? All the songs?DrLike wrote:I think it's more fun to speculate which tracks will be on it
StarChildBlade wrote:$10k price is happening.brokentiny wrote:Yeah not for 10 CDs. Even Simmons won't try and sell it for $10,000.goinblind wrote:So not $10K???
I mean if Pink Floyd's 27 disc set was able to be kept around $500, Geno can't expect folks to fork out so much more for way less.
I'd say around the $100 USD.
The 150 number is something I just can't get my head around.KISSFACE wrote:He originally spoke of 100 tracks, and now it's 150. Would that be just about...Everything? All the songs?DrLike wrote:I think it's more fun to speculate which tracks will be on it
Under The Rose wrote:I don't think it's a lie, but I think it is a total misunderstanding. No way on earth would they price a box of demos at $10,000. It makes zero sense.StarChildBlade wrote:I'm not. I've been a member of this board for a long time and never have I caused waves or lied about anything. Was just passing along some inside info.Under The Rose wrote:Don't be ridiculous.StarChildBlade wrote:Sigh..... It's happening.sicksickphil wrote:I'm calling BSStarChildBlade wrote:Me. And it's not a rumor. This is real info from a friend of mine who works with the agency that shopped Gene's proposal to record labels. Rhino signed on.Ace_Invader wrote:Where did this "$10k" pricetag rumor come from?
Hey...why didn't I buy the $75 Kiss Boxed Set?kiss-1976 wrote:This kind of thing really shows up the crap Gene spews with his we hear & we obey, the fans are the bosses et al...
The monster of all box sets was supposed to have the Eddie & Alex VH demos included but all we got was filler & about 1 CD's worth of never before heard tracks.
$10,000 for this is an insult to the majority of fans who would like to buy it.
First I paid less than $60 the day the box set came out at a crappy mall store. 2nd this box set will have all unreleased stuff. 3rd if the kiss box set came out the way kiss was thinking, you would have gotten a bunch of vhs tapes of shows that ended up on kissology at a much higher price.battra wrote:Hey...why didn't I buy the $75 Kiss Boxed Set?kiss-1976 wrote:This kind of thing really shows up the crap Gene spews with his we hear & we obey, the fans are the bosses et al...
The monster of all box sets was supposed to have the Eddie & Alex VH demos included but all we got was filler & about 1 CD's worth of never before heard tracks.
$10,000 for this is an insult to the majority of fans who would like to buy it.
Because it was little more than a Greatest Hits!
I paid, I THINK, $50 for the Doors Boxed set...2 discs of never before heard versions and unreleased tunes, 1 full concert, and a band favorites CD, which wasn't a greatest hits.
Kiss Boxed Set?
5 CDs...mostly heard material...sure I'd like to hear the handful of songs there I've never heard... (I don't count demos btw)
When that thing came out...it represented about 12 hours (after taxes) of working in order to get it...aka 30% of a week at work to get MOSTLY songs I already had.
I doubt there will be a digital download version.asamphord wrote:I believe that there will be a $10k package. I think it would involve a meet and greet experience, and maybe a private solo acoustic Gene performance along with some other exclusive schwag.
There is no way for a second that I believe that will be the only way to get the 150 songs. There will be alternate packages, digital at the very least, available. It's going to end up on the internet for free download either way.
where did this $10K package came from?asamphord wrote:I believe that there will be a $10k package. I think it would involve a meet and greet experience, and maybe a private solo acoustic Gene performance along with some other exclusive schwag.
There is no way for a second that I believe that will be the only way to get the 150 songs. There will be alternate packages, digital at the very least, available. It's going to end up on the internet for free download either way.
A date with Sophie??? :mrgreen: If I will touch first base there, it might be Worth ittxmikey wrote:Agreed. He's said and done some ridiculous things, but asking ten grand for demos would take the cake.Crimson Harpoon wrote: If Gene thinks anyone is actually going to pay $10k for a box set of his demos, he is utterly delusional. The only way this is a financial model that could be successful would be if selling a grand total of one covers the cost of production.
He'd have to throw in a signed axe bass and a date with Sophie to get any serious consideration.
I'm sorry I didn't remember the precise price of the Kiss boxed set from about 16 years ago.sicksickphil wrote:First I paid less than $60 the day the box set came out at a crappy mall store. 2nd this box set will have all unreleased stuff. 3rd if the kiss box set came out the way kiss was thinking, you would have gotten a bunch of vhs tapes of shows that ended up on kissology at a much higher price.battra wrote:Hey...why didn't I buy the $75 Kiss Boxed Set?kiss-1976 wrote:This kind of thing really shows up the crap Gene spews with his we hear & we obey, the fans are the bosses et al...
The monster of all box sets was supposed to have the Eddie & Alex VH demos included but all we got was filler & about 1 CD's worth of never before heard tracks.
$10,000 for this is an insult to the majority of fans who would like to buy it.
Because it was little more than a Greatest Hits!
I paid, I THINK, $50 for the Doors Boxed set...2 discs of never before heard versions and unreleased tunes, 1 full concert, and a band favorites CD, which wasn't a greatest hits.
Kiss Boxed Set?
5 CDs...mostly heard material...sure I'd like to hear the handful of songs there I've never heard... (I don't count demos btw)
When that thing came out...it represented about 12 hours (after taxes) of working in order to get it...aka 30% of a week at work to get MOSTLY songs I already had.
yes,so ?? i am sure you do spend money on something that I would never consider , yes ? and yes, i am interested in this box set.The Fox wrote:This.aceshigh wrote:And after one listen of substandard junk it will sit on the shelf and be worthless.lespaul wrote:Whatever ..
I am interested in this box set,, and it will be fun listening to the demos, crap or not, lol
While I have no problem paying for music, I'm shocked at the prices certain people are still willing to pay for things that are obvious crap... such as most record store day items, novelty LPs (but it glows in the dark!) and box sets like this product allegedly will be.
Basically like you said. A ton of money will get shelled out, and then it'll collect dust there on afterwards and rarely get looked at, listened to or displayed to justify the cost.
Nope. While dvd had been on the market for few years, it was just STARTING to take off. And if kiss was going to release it on one format it would have been the format everyone had and still used VHS.battra wrote:sicksickphil wrote: You know, Kiss talked about the first concert being in the Boxed Set...that would've been brilliant..and why would Kiss have released that on VHS? DVD was in full swing by then.
Lessee...at the time... I was working at fye (aka Camelot Music, and several other names). My store sold CDs, DVDs, VHS, and video games. In 2001-2002, when I was there, the PS2 had been out and the DVD switch had become nearly complete.sicksickphil wrote:Nope. While dvd had been on the market for few years, it was just STARTING to take off. And if kiss was going to release it on one format it would have been the format everyone had and still used VHS.battra wrote: You know, Kiss talked about the first concert being in the Boxed Set...that would've been brilliant..and why would Kiss have released that on VHS? DVD was in full swing by then.
That's like the Blue Oyster Cult Columbia Records box; all the albums Columbia released, a dvd, 2 c.d's of live/rarities, and then a download code for 4 bonus full soundboard quality concerts. $75. That's a box set, IMO that's worththe tag. The Kiss box set was highly disappointing.battra wrote:Hey...why didn't I buy the $75 Kiss Boxed Set?kiss-1976 wrote:This kind of thing really shows up the crap Gene spews with his we hear & we obey, the fans are the bosses et al...
The monster of all box sets was supposed to have the Eddie & Alex VH demos included but all we got was filler & about 1 CD's worth of never before heard tracks.
$10,000 for this is an insult to the majority of fans who would like to buy it.
Because it was little more than a Greatest Hits!
I paid, I THINK, $50 for the Doors Boxed set...2 discs of never before heard versions and unreleased tunes, 1 full concert, and a band favorites CD, which wasn't a greatest hits.
Kiss Boxed Set?
5 CDs...mostly heard material...sure I'd like to hear the handful of songs there I've never heard... (I don't count demos btw)
When that thing came out...it represented about 12 hours (after taxes) of working in order to get it...aka 30% of a week at work to get MOSTLY songs I already had.
carlos wrote:This package doesn't interest me much. Odds are there will be a few tracks that I'd think are really cool, but if I'm honest, even if some of my all time favorite Gene songs were included, and I heard them for the first time on this boxset, they wouldn't have the same impact on me today because I'm hearing them as a 43 year old adult.
As others have mentioned, a collection of songs that were beat out by the filler we did get through the years doesn't excite me. I assume there are some good ideas and interesting pieces where we can connect the dots to see how other, more familiar tracks came to be, but I imagine that the likelihood of unreleased sister songs to Larger Than Life will be slim to none. Hope I'm proven dead wrong. That would be fantastic.
What I'm hoping for (which is meaningless to Gene because my money very likely won't be involved,) is that there will be some great tracks that can finally be heard because the red-tape has been dealt with.
Hypothetical scenarios aside, what I suspect we'll get is a collection of ideas that paint a picture of his creative process and willingness to experiment and collaborate to varying degrees of success. In the best case scenario for me, that's worth a click to check out, but little more. I've learned to be very selective in my choices on KISS products. It's been better to risk the possibility of missing out on a few polished crumbs than to experience buyer's remorse over the years. (Aren't I a ball of fun huh?)
Allow me to reiterate, I would love to wrong. I hope it's full of missing links between Sweet Pain and Journey Of A Thousand Years. I hope he's been sitting on gems from the beginning, preparing 45 years for this massive release. I hope there's songs that were too good to put on Asshole or were written too late to put on Revenge.
There are plenty of legitimate circumstances that could have prevented him from releasing these tracks until now. But I highly suspect the majority will be just ideas that didn't fit at the time. Either way, I can wait until some of the highlights are available.
I get the feeling this is not going to happen.What I'm hoping for (which is meaningless to Gene because my money very likely won't be involved,) is that there will be some great tracks that can finally be heard because the red-tape has been dealt with.
Yeah the ps2 had been out less than a year in US in small quantities when the kiss box set came. Dvds were starting to take off. It was like a cd player 1988. You could find them in stores and some people had them but it wasn't the thing everybody had at the time. Sorry that is just the way it was. By the way you could find laser discs in stores in 2001. Does that mean everyone had them ?battra wrote:Lessee...at the time... I was working at fye (aka Camelot Music, and several other names). My store sold CDs, DVDs, VHS, and video games. In 2001-2002, when I was there, the PS2 had been out and the DVD switch had become nearly complete.sicksickphil wrote:Nope. While dvd had been on the market for few years, it was just STARTING to take off. And if kiss was going to release it on one format it would have been the format everyone had and still used VHS.battra wrote: You know, Kiss talked about the first concert being in the Boxed Set...that would've been brilliant..and why would Kiss have released that on VHS? DVD was in full swing by then.
But hey, I'm sure you can quantify everything you said in your post (unlike every other time you post), so please do.
Thanks in advance!
Quick question though, as at that time, Box Sets didn't include videos, save the Metallica Live Boxed set from nearly a decade earlier, where did you get your information that it was to have included full live concerts?sicksickphil wrote:Yeah the ps2 had been out less than a year in US in small quantities when the kiss box set came. Dvds were starting to take off. It was like a cd player 1988. You could find them in stores and some people had them but it wasn't the thing everybody had at the time. Sorry that is just the way it was. By the way you could find laser discs in stores in 2001. Does that mean everyone had them ?battra wrote:Lessee...at the time... I was working at fye (aka Camelot Music, and several other names). My store sold CDs, DVDs, VHS, and video games. In 2001-2002, when I was there, the PS2 had been out and the DVD switch had become nearly complete.sicksickphil wrote:Nope. While dvd had been on the market for few years, it was just STARTING to take off. And if kiss was going to release it on one format it would have been the format everyone had and still used VHS.battra wrote: You know, Kiss talked about the first concert being in the Boxed Set...that would've been brilliant..and why would Kiss have released that on VHS? DVD was in full swing by then.
But hey, I'm sure you can quantify everything you said in your post (unlike every other time you post), so please do.
Thanks in advance!
I know the CD is older as a format than most of us think of it...it debuted in 1982.Vandelay Industries wrote:Just for the record, I'd been buying CDs since the early 80's. I still have many of 'em in fine working order :mrgreen:
My first CD was Wish You Were Here. I bought it to play at my neighbor's entertainment center, lol....I actually didn't get my own player 'til late '84-early '85, when it was a little more reasonably priced, comparatively speaking. Can't even remember what my first few purchases were, but I do recall getting Brothers In Arms before leaving for college :mrgreen:battra wrote:I know the CD is older as a format than most of us think of it...it debuted in 1982.Vandelay Industries wrote:Just for the record, I'd been buying CDs since the early 80's. I still have many of 'em in fine working order :mrgreen:
What was the first batch of CDs you got?
I remember reading (granted this was in the second Metallica comic book or maybe the first...so take it for what it's worth if anything) that Metallica said about ...And Justice For All most people will buy it on cassette, but for those who did buy it on vinyl, they made it a double LP in order to make it sound better.
So even in the late 80's, vinyl was still going.
Brothers In Arms became like a poster child for the CD, I remember. I worked in record stores in the 80's and when I left in 1989, vinyl was still fairly dominant. Took a few more years for CDs to become bigger.Vandelay Industries wrote:My first CD was Wish You Were Here. I bought it to play at my neighbor's entertainment center, lol....I actually didn't get my own player 'til late '84-early '85, when it was a little more reasonably priced, comparatively speaking. Can't even remember what my first few purchases were, but I do recall getting Brothers In Arms before leaving for college :mrgreen:battra wrote:I know the CD is older as a format than most of us think of it...it debuted in 1982.Vandelay Industries wrote:Just for the record, I'd been buying CDs since the early 80's. I still have many of 'em in fine working order :mrgreen:
What was the first batch of CDs you got?
I remember reading (granted this was in the second Metallica comic book or maybe the first...so take it for what it's worth if anything) that Metallica said about ...And Justice For All most people will buy it on cassette, but for those who did buy it on vinyl, they made it a double LP in order to make it sound better.
So even in the late 80's, vinyl was still going.
I doubt Unversal was ever gonna pay him enough to make a deluxe edition really interesting for us, so I'm glad he's found another option.johnkissfan1974 wrote:If he is releasing a box set makes think there will not be any deluxe editions in Kiss' future
