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Exclusive: Former Nirvana Drummer Chad Channing will be Inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Ex-Nirvana drummer, Chad Channing, will be inducted with the band into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on April 10th. Channing will be included with Krist Novoselic, Dave Grohl and the late Kurt Cobain.

Channing was in Nirvana for two years surrounding the release of their debut album Bleach, but was replaced by Grohl during the recordings of Nevermind.

Chad Channing says he will be in Brooklyn for the Induction Ceremony, but has no plans to perform.

There is often controversy over which band members actually get their names on the Hall of Fame wall in Cleveland. The Rock Hall makes the decision, but doesn’t have any stated criteria for how they make the rulings or have any consistency from band to band or year to year. Look no further than fellow-2014 inductees Kiss to find bitterness and hard feelings over the decision.*

One could infer from their recent decisions that the Rock Hall tends to honor only the band members who were involved in (what they consider to be) significant recordings, although there are exceptions to that vague criteria as well.**

* - Only the original four members of Kiss are being inducted. Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons decided not to perform at the Induction Ceremony because of the Rock Hall’s decision to exclude additional current and former members of Kiss.

** - Just last year, John Rutsey, who like Chad Channing, only played on a debut album, was NOT inducted with Rush.

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.p ... try-id-305
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Sauce?
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Well that means they are inducting the original line-up. Surely the Kiss style controversy is that Dave Grohl, a "replacement", is also being inducted.
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NIGHTTHING wrote:Sauce?


Vodka
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Just more proof that KISS shouldn't go in...flip the HOF the big one...all or none, one for all!
Always hated the HOF and loved KISS without it...
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If this is true it really is an outrage...
Eric Carr was in the band 11 years and is certainly more well known.
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Curveboy wrote:If this is true it really is an outrage...
Eric Carr was in the band 11 years and is certainly more well known.


Agreed! This is the RRHOF telling Paul Stanley, KISS, and ALL KISS fans to FUCK OFF!!!

A similar possibility was discussed in the Pat Smear thread back in December:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=94337&view=previous
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Paul and Gene shouldn't even show up at this crappy ceremony; if they do they should call them out and say "no thank you" and walk away from the podium.
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KISS70 wrote:
Curveboy wrote:If this is true it really is an outrage...
Eric Carr was in the band 11 years and is certainly more well known.


Agreed! This is the RRHOF telling Paul Stanley, KISS, and ALL KISS fans to FUCK OFF!!!



That's exactly what we SHOULD do! If we can't play on their court, we should build our own!
The criteria to this "club" never made sense. Nothing against other genres of music, but they DO NOT belong in the ROCK and ROLL Hall Of Fame.
It's like if Jethro Tull won a Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental over someone, like say, Metallica...what? That actually happened? :shock:
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Channing's contribution was to 1 of 3 studio albums and he was in the band for 2 of the 7 years it was active, so proportionally his contribution is definitely similar to Singer, Thayer, Carr and Kulick.
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KISS70 wrote:Agreed! This is the RRHOF telling Paul Stanley, KISS, and ALL KISS fans to FUCK OFF!!!


I've been saying that since this whole drama began.
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Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind
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KISS70 wrote:Exclusive: Former Nirvana Drummer Chad Channing will be Inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Ex-Nirvana drummer, Chad Channing, will be inducted with the band into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on April 10th. Channing will be included with Krist Novoselic, Dave Grohl and the late Kurt Cobain.

Channing was in Nirvana for two years surrounding the release of their debut album Bleach, but was replaced by Grohl during the recordings of Nevermind.

Chad Channing says he will be in Brooklyn for the Induction Ceremony, but has no plans to perform.

There is often controversy over which band members actually get their names on the Hall of Fame wall in Cleveland. The Rock Hall makes the decision, but doesn’t have any stated criteria for how they make the rulings or have any consistency from band to band or year to year. Look no further than fellow-2014 inductees Kiss to find bitterness and hard feelings over the decision.*

One could infer from their recent decisions that the Rock Hall tends to honor only the band members who were involved in (what they consider to be) significant recordings, although there are exceptions to that vague criteria as well.**

* - Only the original four members of Kiss are being inducted. Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons decided not to perform at the Induction Ceremony because of the Rock Hall’s decision to exclude additional current and former members of Kiss.

** - Just last year, John Rutsey, who like Chad Channing, only played on a debut album, was NOT inducted with Rush.

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.p ... try-id-305


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SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


The same could be asked of Chad Channing.
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Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


The same could be asked of Chad Channing.


Channing is on their debut album
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SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


Channing was not the drummer on Nevermind.

He does appear on Bleach, their true first album. Also, he appears on various CD's released in the pastr decade that had older demos or live tracks.

Truth is, I don't think one perosn in the mainstream sees Channing as a member of Nirvana. If someone here does not see this as a further F.U. to KISS, they are blind. I'm not saying the did this because of KISS, but if it doesn't show the difference in the way the bands are being treated, I don't know what does.
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SW wrote:
Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


The same could be asked of Chad Channing.


Channing is on their debut album


Which isn't Nevermind. Just trying to figure out what the point was.

So instead the question should have been "Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Bleach".
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KISS70 wrote:
Curveboy wrote:If this is true it really is an outrage...
Eric Carr was in the band 11 years and is certainly more well known.


Agreed! This is the RRHOF telling Paul Stanley, KISS, and ALL KISS fans to FUCK OFF!!!

A similar possibility was discussed in the Pat Smear thread back in December:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=94337&view=previous

:idea: :lol: Agreed
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necronomicon wrote:Channing's contribution was to 1 of 3 studio albums and he was in the band for 2 of the 7 years it was active, so proportionally his contribution is definitely similar to Singer, Thayer, Carr and Kulick.


You guys are just going by "years in a band." You have to consider other issues, too.

And yes, I agree that the rules are random and in many cases ridiculous (Rutsey should've definitely been in).

But that first album, "Bleach," is considered almost as influential as "Nevermind" in the punk scene. "Nevermind" broke the band, but "Bleach" is what really got the buzz going for them, so it's not a big surprise to me they would take that into consideration.

I still say the notion of Tommy Thayer getting in is outright ridiculous. Not because I have anything against him, but just because of things that should be obvious. Eric Singer as well, but slightly less so. I could see the case made for any of the others, though. And the process overall definitely stinks.
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Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:
Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


The same could be asked of Chad Channing.


Channing is on their debut album


Which isn't Nevermind. Just trying to figure out what the point was.

So instead the question should have been "Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Bleach".


Quite simple really .....Channing was on a highly influential debut album Bleach. Grohl was on a HUGE and influential album NEVERMIND. Eric Carr was NEVER on any album that comes anywhere remotely close either of those albums.
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SW wrote:
Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:
Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


The same could be asked of Chad Channing.


Channing is on their debut album


Which isn't Nevermind. Just trying to figure out what the point was.

So instead the question should have been "Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Bleach".


Quite simple really .....Channing was on a highly influential debut album Bleach. Grohl was on a HUGE and influential album NEVERMIND. Eric Carr was NEVER on any album that comes anywhere remotely close either of those albums.


Still trying to figure out why you used Nevermind instead of Bleach in the Eric Carr question. Not debating the merits of Bleach but by asking for Eric's equivalent to Nevermind and not the ALBUM that Chad played on seems to downplay Bleach's "influence".

EDIT: Your comparison was more arguing why Grohl, a replacement, is being inducted. I see.
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Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:
Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


The same could be asked of Chad Channing.


Channing is on their debut album


Which isn't Nevermind. Just trying to figure out what the point was.

So instead the question should have been "Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Bleach".


KISS didn't produce any albums with Carr in the band that were as influential as "Bleach." Not even close. That album was described as having "defined the entire decade of the nineties." It certainly didn't define it for ME, but that's still what's said about it.

I'd rather listen to "Creatures." But no one is going to call that album influential on a big scale.
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Diss wrote:
Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:
Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
SW wrote:Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Nevermind


The same could be asked of Chad Channing.


Channing is on their debut album


Which isn't Nevermind. Just trying to figure out what the point was.

So instead the question should have been "Please enlighten me which would be Eric Carr's equivalent album to Bleach".


KISS didn't produce any albums with Carr in the band that were as influential as "Bleach." Not even close. That album was described as having "defined the entire decade of the nineties." It certainly didn't define it for ME, but that's still what's said about it.

I'd rather listen to "Creatures." But no one is going to call that album influential on a big scale.


Bleach sold a whopping 40,000 units!!! Couldn't have been too influential.

Sure, after Nevermind came out and sold 30MM units, a bunch of people went back and purchased a couple of million copies.
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Bleach is better than anything Eric Carr ever played on with Kiss.
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Not surprised at all. Since the hall of shame are such shitvana nut lickers.
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Fartbone wrote:In my opinion Bleach is better than anything Eric Carr ever played on with Kiss.


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Fartbone wrote:In my opinion Bleach is better than anything Eric Carr ever played on with Kiss.


FYP


Bullshit, it's fact. You hair metal guys can't be fucking serious.
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EFF U Rock Hall. You kept Eric Carr out.

When Sabbath went in circa 2006, it was only the originals though Ronnie should have been added.

Though for Metallica it is James, Lars, Kirk, Cliff, Jason, and Robert all in (but not Ron or Dave). Stupid political piece of crap museum.

Let us not induct Deep Purple but put in Grandmaster Flash. WTF!?
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Fartbone wrote:In my opinion Bleach is better than anything Eric Carr ever played on with Kiss.


FYP


Bullshit, it's fact. You hair metal guys can't be fucking serious.


"Hair metal guys". Funny.

I listened to Nirvana when Nevermind blew up. I actually still remember the 1st time I heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in the fall of '91. I liked Nirvana. Still do to an extent.

But to say "fact" regarding an opinion that can't be validated one way or the other is hilarious.
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Haters gonna hate :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Shows how an agenda slants ones views. WITHOUT NEVERMIND, Nirvana,Bleach or Tatum would have never been heard of outside of Seattle. Now, people agendas have them claiming how important that album was. :lol:

Just shows the Committee's hate of KISS and further proves that any other band gets who they ask for.
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KISS70 wrote:Bleach sold a whopping 40,000 units!!! Couldn't have been too influential.

Sure, after Nevermind came out and sold 30MM units, a bunch of people went back and purchased a couple of million copies.


"Never Mind the Bollocks" by the Sex Pistols didn't reach platinum status for nearly 20 years after it was released, and it's widely regarded as one of the top 10 most influential albums of all time. ANd I don't even think it's DOUBLE platinum at this point.

Sales don't always equate to influence. Who were those 40,000? And what did some of them go on to do?
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Chad Channing is in the Hall.

Ronnie James Dio is not.

Show me the logic there. Mind you I love the Bleach record, and was not a fan of Dio's solo stuff but who was more well known, and had more of an impact on Rock? There is no question about that, regardless of my own opinions.
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Chad should be inducted. Bleach is a better album then Nevermind.
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saintsinner2007 wrote:Chad Channing is in the Hall.

Ronnie James Dio is not.

Show me the logic there. Mind you I love the Bleach record, and was not a fan of Dio's solo stuff but who was more well known, and had more of an impact on Rock? There is no question about that, regardless of my own opinions.



THAT is fact. And that DEFINITELY shows where the people who vote for these things heads are at when it comes to metal and hard rock music.

Then again, Chad is being inducted as PART of a greater whole: Nirvana. And despite what anyone thinks of them, it'd be pretty hard to argue against Nirvana being more influential in the grand scheme of rock than RJD and anything he's done. But yeah, when you pit it as RJD vs. Chad Channing, it does seem moronic.
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saintsinner2007 wrote:Chad Channing is in the Hall.

Ronnie James Dio is not.

Show me the logic there. Mind you I love the Bleach record, and was not a fan of Dio's solo stuff but who was more well known, and had more of an impact on Rock? There is no question about that, regardless of my own opinions.

Dio wasn't asked for with BS, give you one guess whose manager/wife blocked that one. :lol:


Chad being inducted just shows that the RARHOF gave Nirvana what it asked for. Most likely it was Grohl that asked for his predecessor to be included. He's usually a class act.
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Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
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Uzi_of_Ooze wrote:
Fartbone wrote:In my opinion Bleach is better than anything Eric Carr ever played on with Kiss.


FYP


Bullshit, it's fact. You hair metal guys can't be fucking serious.


"Hair metal guys". Funny.

I listened to Nirvana when Nevermind blew up. I actually still remember the 1st time I heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in the fall of '91. I liked Nirvana. Still do to an extent.

But to say "fact" regarding an opinion that can't be validated one way or the other is hilarious.


You do know that I fully think Eric should be in too.

Well I fortunately listened to bleach before nevermind was released. Surprise, some people actually bought sub pop records before nevermind.
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Diss wrote:
KISS70 wrote:Bleach sold a whopping 40,000 units!!! Couldn't have been too influential.

Sure, after Nevermind came out and sold 30MM units, a bunch of people went back and purchased a couple of million copies.


"Never Mind the Bollocks" by the Sex Pistols didn't reach platinum status for nearly 20 years after it was released, and it's widely regarded as one of the top 10 most influential albums of all time. ANd I don't even think it's DOUBLE platinum at this point.

Sales don't always equate to influence. Who were those 40,000? And what did some of them go on to do?


I appreciate your argument... but NMTB didn't have a 30MM selling follow up -- resulting in a bunch of people picking it up. NMTB stands on its own.

To be fair, my position could be applied to the first three KISS albums. They only sold because people went back to discover the studio albums.
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Post Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:57 am

Re: OUTRAGE!!! - RRHOF INDUCTS UNKNOWN FORMER DRUMMER W/NIRV

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saintsinner2007 wrote:Chad Channing is in the Hall.

Ronnie James Dio is not.

Show me the logic there. Mind you I love the Bleach record, and was not a fan of Dio's solo stuff but who was more well known, and had more of an impact on Rock? There is no question about that, regardless of my own opinions.

Dio wasn't asked for with BS, give you one guess whose manager/wife blocked that one. :lol:


Chad being inducted just shows that the RARHOF gave Nirvana what it asked for. Most likely it was Grohl that asked for his predecessor to be included. He's usually a class act.


Oh, I completely understand the politics behind why it is the way it is. But, if you have a HoF, politics should not enter the discussion. Just like personal feelings about an artist should not enter either.

I might not like artists like Michael Jackson or Madonna, but I can not deny the influence they had on music. Do they belong in a Hall of Fame, no question (forget for a moment that it is called RNR). Can't I say that

And, I agree about Grohl. He is a class act, or at least seems so. I've become more and more of a fan of his over the years.
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