Homer Simpson wrote:TheSphinx wrote: Most of that comes from the "Eric Carr" story....
Which is one side of the story as I stated.
TheSphinx wrote: What's the matter--hard to believe Gene and Paul can be that shitty? It shouldn't be, everyone whose dealt with them has the same problems. Eric Carr, Vinnie, Ace, Peter, Corbett.
I'm not claiming Gene and Paul are saints or even good people. That said, people that have dealt with Vinnie, Ace, Peter, and even Eric Carr have had problems with them.
TheSphinx wrote: And CK Lendt also talked about how bad off Eric was because of dealing with Gene and Paul.
He also talked about how Eric was an insecure and overly sensitive person.
TheSphinx wrote: Why don't you read the book and see what Bob Kulick says or Bruce's ex wife?
I have. Why don't you realize that you're only accepting one side of the story? A side presented, in many cases, from people who only have a second hand account of what really happened.
TheSphinx wrote: While Bruce and his wife are sharing a Honda, Paul moves into a 5 story place with an elevator. Always nice of them to spend money like that after they've had Bruce cut his salary in 1/2.
And what does that have to do with Eric Carr? Besides, they can run their business as they see fit. Likewise, employees can decide whether or not they are being treated unfairly.
Now on to some of your other points....
TheSphinx wrote: Gene and Paul treated Eric like crap. They respected his drumming but didn't think much of his songwriting etc.
Listen, I like Eric. I've listened to Rockology. Maybe they could have used a couple of his songs. That said, many of his songs didn't really have a Kiss vibe to them. And if they didn't think much of his songwriting, what were they supposed to do? Record material they didn't like just to please him?
TheSphinx wrote:In dealing with them, they pretty much sent Eric to the looney bin and he'd suffer panic and anxiety attacks because of Gene and Paul.
Again, many have said Eric was an insecure and overly sensitive person. It's possible his panic attacks were the result of that. Now maybe Gene and Paul didn't help to relieve his anxieties, but its something he would have to do with any employer. Plus, if things were really as bad as they were made out to seem, why didn't he leave Kiss? If he was treated so bad, wasn't get paid much, and it was not condusive to his health to the point some want to make it out to be, no job is worth that.
TheSphinx wrote: They'd take away his drum solo.
Another instance of you only telling half the story. Actually, more like 1/10 of the story. It was the band's manager that suggested the solos be cut on the HITS tour so the band could play more songs. And it wasn't just Eric's solo that was cut. Paul didn't get a guitar solo. Neither did Bruce. Gene didn't get a bass solo. By the end of the tour, Eric got his drum solo back. No one else got their solo back.
TheSphinx wrote: They wouldn't let him play with Ace.
How many companies let their employees do freelance work for a former member of the company they have a bad relationship with? None. Not to mention, it would be interesting to see the timeline. Gene and Paul knew Ace was recording Hide Your Heart and weren't very happy about that. That could be another potential reason they didn't want Eric on Ace's album.
TheSphinx wrote: The Paul Stanley solo tour--Eric saw the writing on the wall. He's be replaced in KISS one day.
Again, isn't possible this can be traced back to Eric's insecurity?
TheSphinx wrote: There was a time, I think during the HITS tour, that he didn't talk to Gene and Paul for months.
He didn't talk to Bruce either. You neglected to mention that. You also neglected to mention that even Bruce said Eric was difficult to deal with around that time. Funny you're so quick to take the word of people who criticize Gene and Paul, but ignore what people say about everyone else.