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Post Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:17 am

How come KISS used to lose so many of his things back then?

I was amazed at how many cool and important things were given away, sold or lost like they did not care or something by KISS.
i know they used to give away lots of his stuff to Vinny Gonzales and lost some more at the "Warehouse" but wow....this is amazing.
They could have build a museum !!! This made place to the "convention raid"

Taken from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL0aq_mXZk&t=578s

Bill Baker's impressive collection (given away by Ace)
We can see more of it at Facebook
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Gene's Elder chainmall legs
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Gene's 1977 non studded prototype or first versionLove gun costume
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One of Gene's own Kramer axe basses (different body from production model) and his first 1977 Love gun strap
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Now this is sick !
Ace's Alive, Elder, and TWO Dynasty/Unmasked Costumes, Gene's 1977 boots, Two Gene's 76 codpieces, Eric Carr and Vinnie's belt from COTN, Paul Ibanez with Gene's 78-82 Strap

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INSANE !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:20 am

Re: How come KISS used to lose so many of his things back th

The good old days of the NJ/NY conventions!

It's pretty well known how their items fell in the hands of many collectors back then. Just thought it was weird that G & P wanted all of that stuff
back immediately (Detroit Con. 94) when before they've always had the chance to retrieve it all from the warehouse.
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:58 am

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Thanks for sharing this, I've never seen this video before. I was shocked to briefly see my wife and I from the NY '93 footage.

I used to own one of the Ace Elder jumpsuits. It was very impressive. If you watch the convention footage that Bill Baker filmed, you can see two of Peter's Love Gun choker's and Paul's Alive boots for sale for $400!

Those were the days!
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:11 am

Re: How come KISS used to lose so many of his things back th

Ask Jimmy Page how many of his guitars were stolen over the years.....
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Re: How come KISS used to lose so many of his things back th

FrehleyFan wrote:Thanks for sharing this, I've never seen this video before. I was shocked to briefly see my wife and I from the NY '93 footage.

I used to own one of the Ace Elder jumpsuits. It was very impressive. If you watch the convention footage that Bill Baker filmed, you can see two of Peter's Love Gun choker's and Paul's Alive boots for sale for $400!

Those were the days!


Cool that you found 24 year old footage yourself !!!
Yes i noticed that Choker & Armband plus Paul's Boots standing there and prices woah !!!
Cool cool cool !!!

Why did you sell the Elder jumpsuit?
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:27 am

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Were these items sold at the expos years ago with any certificates of authenticity?
How were these items verified as authentic?
Or would people just buy on good faith?
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:32 am

Re: How come KISS used to lose so many of his things back th

Grizzly Adams wrote:Were these items sold at the expos years ago with any certificates of authenticity?
How were these items verified as authentic?
Or would people just buy on good faith?


I'd wager good faith.

Those were the days before cosplay as a normal thing and there weren't a million talented seamstresses out in the world.
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:56 am

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C wrote:
FrehleyFan wrote:Thanks for sharing this, I've never seen this video before. I was shocked to briefly see my wife and I from the NY '93 footage.

I used to own one of the Ace Elder jumpsuits. It was very impressive. If you watch the convention footage that Bill Baker filmed, you can see two of Peter's Love Gun choker's and Paul's Alive boots for sale for $400!

Those were the days!


Cool that you found 24 year old footage yourself !!!
Yes i noticed that Choker & Armband plus Paul's Boots standing there and prices woah !!!
Cool cool cool !!!

Why did you sell the Elder jumpsuit?


I sold the jumpsuit for a major purchase for my family. I don't regret selling it, but man, it was cool!
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:01 am

Re: How come KISS used to lose so many of his things back th

Grizzly Adams wrote:Were these items sold at the expos years ago with any certificates of authenticity?
How were these items verified as authentic?
Or would people just buy on good faith?


No coa's. I started collecting stage worn costume pieces during and after the Butterfields auctions. A lot of really cool stuff wasn't in the auction. You just have to do your research. Photomatching, the provenance of the piece. I will admit that with the current replica's being made, it's a lot harder now to tell the real from the fake. But there's always something that will ultimately give it away.

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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:20 am

Re: How come KISS used to lose so many of his things back th

Stage worn Vintage items are the ultimate collectibles IMO, would have been killer to buy "lots" with mixed parts and costumes inside back then.
i wonder if ....today, those items are in display or just stored, for example...a full 1977-78 Love gun / Alive 2 costume set from all 4 members.

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