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I just watched 'Straight Outta Compton' and it was AWESOME! I'd love to see the KISS story (even if it's just Paul & Gene's story) played out. If the movie covered the year before KISS officially formed up through Ace's departure, I'd be ecstatic. Now that the 70's are so romanticized as a general era (not just to KISS fans), I've no doubt that the 'magic' of the originals would/could be perfectly captured. The all of the different music of the times along with the fashion and downtown NYC? Homerun.
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Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
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I want a real Kiss documentary. Biopic... whatever. That's just me. I can imagine it getting extremely hokey with all sorts of "live to win" rhetoric.
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Except that Cherie wore the lingerie before Japan, and them completely skipping the early lineup of the band.tomwabe wrote:The film also set a new standard for period accuracy - I'm a total train spotter and pedant when it comes to all things 70's glam - and there was nothing - not one thing - out of place in the costume, props and sets...The "The Runaways" recent one was a waste of the talent casted.
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Without the real music (especially actual live concert audio from the 70s) it's going to be kind of lame. So hopefully there's a big enough budget and hopefully it's not Gene and Paul that have to approve the placement and set the prices.Crispy wrote:Can we clarify once and for all?
A documentary is typically authorized by the subject, has commentary, opinions, etc
A biopic is a film with actors, a script sometimes factual or fictional or combination of both. It can be authorized or unauthorized.
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At age 44 he's too old.Crispy wrote:what are your thoughts on Sacha baron Cohen for a young Gene?
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I'd be significantly less interested in this if scenes ended up being fictionalized.
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This was my casting from a similar thread a few months ago...
Rory Culkin as Ace Frehley
Ezra Miller as Paul Stanley
Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Gene Simmons
Jeremy Allen White as Peter Criss
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Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Gene Simmons
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Wow, you're actually working on the "Kiss Backbeat" movie! I heard it mentioned some years ago. If I could wish for one specific Kiss product, this would be it. I hope very serious work is done with interviewing the pre-Kiss artists. A product including major wrongs, and way too much to be desired, like Kisstory - the book, is not good enough. There will be a lot of Wicked Lester in this movie, right? Re-creating early gigs and rehearsals? What a project! I hope you get a super huge budget. - All the best.
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Thanks everyone for your support!
Your comments and suggestions are important to us. I can assure you that you will not be disappointed in the film, a massive amount of research and ongoing interviews and collaborating with key industry people went into this.
I wish I could release more details and I will when I can. In the meantime we welcome ongoing discussion.
Your comments and suggestions are important to us. I can assure you that you will not be disappointed in the film, a massive amount of research and ongoing interviews and collaborating with key industry people went into this.
I wish I could release more details and I will when I can. In the meantime we welcome ongoing discussion.
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KISS has such an illustrious history that it would be almost criminal to try and cram it into a 2 hour movie.
Take ideas from biopics like Hitchcock (which only focused on the making of Psycho) and The Aviator (which chronicled Hughes' descent into madness). Pick a crucial, pivotal moment in KISStory and make it all about that. Perhaps the Reunion? Hell, the Reunion has plenty of turmoil, intrigue, and dirty laundry to make things interesting.
Take ideas from biopics like Hitchcock (which only focused on the making of Psycho) and The Aviator (which chronicled Hughes' descent into madness). Pick a crucial, pivotal moment in KISStory and make it all about that. Perhaps the Reunion? Hell, the Reunion has plenty of turmoil, intrigue, and dirty laundry to make things interesting.
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OK - this whole 'we' thing - surely you're either able to tell us a little more about this project - who 'WE' actualy is for example - or you shouldn't be on heretalking about it at all?
His Maj's comment above is very true - and if this project is genuine - it got me thinking again and using a narrower focus...
I had an idea along these lines when you mentioned 'Ed Wood' and 'Boogie Nights' as your reference points... then I got stroppy and didn't post it - but hell, here goes anyway...
What if the prime focus of the story wasn't the four band members, or even just G & P -what if the focus was the wild life and times of Bill and Sean? Ed Wood focusses on the wild notions of a would-be entrepreneur and how a collection of oddballs are brought together and harnessed to some wild dream of greatness. Centre on the Bill / Sean relationship and have the four band members almost as comedy foils... they all have potential for that - funny and very easily charecaturable - the painfully uptight and vain one , the schoolmasterly comic nerd who thinks he's the new McCartney, the indestuctable stoner and the guy that tries to carry himself like a Gangster, but isn't very bright. It's an almost Seinfeld-esque supporting cast. That could really work. Could even be a critical success by taking that oblique angle and doing it well.
His Maj's comment above is very true - and if this project is genuine - it got me thinking again and using a narrower focus...
I had an idea along these lines when you mentioned 'Ed Wood' and 'Boogie Nights' as your reference points... then I got stroppy and didn't post it - but hell, here goes anyway...
What if the prime focus of the story wasn't the four band members, or even just G & P -what if the focus was the wild life and times of Bill and Sean? Ed Wood focusses on the wild notions of a would-be entrepreneur and how a collection of oddballs are brought together and harnessed to some wild dream of greatness. Centre on the Bill / Sean relationship and have the four band members almost as comedy foils... they all have potential for that - funny and very easily charecaturable - the painfully uptight and vain one , the schoolmasterly comic nerd who thinks he's the new McCartney, the indestuctable stoner and the guy that tries to carry himself like a Gangster, but isn't very bright. It's an almost Seinfeld-esque supporting cast. That could really work. Could even be a critical success by taking that oblique angle and doing it well.
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So, there are more people involved but we don't know who.Crispy wrote: Your comments and suggestions are important to us.
So, a film it's is GOING to be made.Crispy wrote:I can assure you that you will not be disappointed in the film
Regarding of what "key industry people" were interviewed, and if the "movie" ain't made, it will be cool if those interviews end at least in a book. No?Crispy wrote:a massive amount of research and ongoing interviews and collaborating with key industry people went into this.
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Crispy wrote:Im finding the latest posts pretty boring. And no exciting news on the KISS front.
Time to talk about the KISS biopic. I cannot release details, but it is written and in the hands of producers.
Would love to hear some comments and possible suggestions.
I will chirp in from time to time with some nuggets.
i honestly think a more interesting story than the start of KISS would be the rebirth of KISS. from the disco disaster through the era when they took the makeup off has always seemed like such an interesting time in their career. so much happening all of the time, so many crazy people coming and going in their lives and their band. or even just the demise of KISS from '78 - '82. that hard fall from world's most popular band to canceling a tour because of low sales.
so much happened to them in such a short period of time (10 years), there's lots of great angles, really.
but a calculated product that they started out as, no matter how hard they struggled, will be pretty tough to turn into a great story that hasn't been done by so many artists/bands in a biopic.
not that i'm saying it's not a worthy topic, obviously, or that you wouldn't do a great job.
i just think the story of the fall and rise is slightly more interesting than the manufactured creation and then meteoric ascent w/in 2 years.
i mean, they really didn't actually struggle that long as a band before they got huge.
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I finally saw it...and I'd forgotten how they basically left Lita out of it....redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
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Those are pretty inspired choices, all of 'em. Nice job!justcoz wrote:This was my casting from a similar thread a few months ago...
Rory Culkin as Ace Frehley
Ezra Miller as Paul Stanley
Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Gene Simmons
Jeremy Allen White as Peter Criss
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redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
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Sounds like you were the one whining about my very true statement. No one gave a single shit about the Runaways biopic so it completely FLOPPED, as in HUGE BOMB. "Detroit Rock City," as much as I love the movie, was another HUGE FLOP. It made a mere fraction of its budget. I saw it on opening night, and there were six people in the theater, including myself and my guest. Six fucking people. You think I like saying that? Stop living in dreamland and start thinking logically. There's absolutely zero reason for anyone to pour money into a Kiss biopic. And, if by some unbelievable miracle, one actually gets made? Guess what's gonna happen? You guessed it...FLOP.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
Again, start thinking logically without the rose-colored glasses.
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As a KISS fan, I'm always surprised by how many people tell me they love DRC or identify the band with that movie. I wasn't really a fan of the movie, yet you're damn straight it's become a cult classic. I've had everyone from local music writers that don't care for KISS to hipsters and teenagers tell me how much they loved that movie. I just nod my head wishing I had their enthusiasm. To me, it was just another KISS product that came off like a second rate Dazed and Confused that bombed at the box office. But the film has definitely found an audience since its release.sugardaddy wrote:
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
A KISS biopic to me has to be heavy on the music industry and the personalities of the band and its camp. The roles of Aucoin, Delaney, and Bogart are important. I'd go with Justin Timberlake as Aucoin, Will Forte as Delaney, and maybe Paul Giamotti as Bogart. I'd almost propose structuring it Eddie and The Cruisers style - someone doing a documentary with an older Paul, Gene, Ace and Peter as they look back on:
The band's formation and early NYC days
The band's organic rise from the midwest to a rock/pop culture phenomenon
The missteps of '78 and '79, complete with the addictions and internal band fighting
The 80's struggles
The Reunion and it's subsequent collapse
The RARHoF to as they are today for the "documentary'
As far as whether or not there's interest or a market for it, I think KISS is going to start garnering much more respect and interest when the original band members start dying off. I know that's terrible to say, but I just see it happening. Especially when Gene goes.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Ace.
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redinthesky wrote:Sounds like you were the one whining about my very true statement. No one gave a single shit about the Runaways biopic so it completely FLOPPED, as in HUGE BOMB. "Detroit Rock City," as much as I love the movie, was another HUGE FLOP. It made a mere fraction of its budget. I saw it on opening night, and there were six people in the theater, including myself and my guest. Six fucking people. You think I like saying that? Stop living in dreamland and start thinking logically. There's absolutely zero reason for anyone to pour money into a Kiss biopic. And, if by some unbelievable miracle, one actually gets made? Guess what's gonna happen? You guessed it...FLOP.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
Again, start thinking logically without the rose-colored glasses.
I personally don't care if it flops or wins six Academies. you stated it NEVER would happen....well guess what, flop or not.
Every Velvet Underground album "flopped" too.
Keep judging with your almighty $$$$
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The image license can be taken care of the same way KISS tribute bands do it. Pay KISS to use the images. There are enough older tunes on the Jigoku-Retsuden album to suffice and Universal won't have to be involved. More $ directly into P's & G's pocket makes this have way better of a chance to actually happen (IMHO)tomwabe wrote:I raised a few problems re music licence and makeup - how are these issues going to be circumvented?
As to the topic at hand, I'd like to see it begin at the end of the recording of the Wicked Lester album. The audition process, and the development of the four persona's developed by Paul, Gene, Peter, and Ace. Then the good, the bad, and the ugly of touring after each of the first three albums. This would be a great place to bring the perspective of Delaney, Aucoin, and Bogart. Then have the movie end with the hype of Cadillac, Michigan and the breakout of "Alive".
(IMHO) Taking it past the initial success of "Alive" would be stretching the time frame of usual cinematography timeframe and detract from a perfect plot and story line. Everybody knows the KISS on the lunchboxes,kiddie toys, and all that stuff. It really wouldn't be much of an interest to me or much less the general public to see the hype and marketed version of the band.
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If one is ever made it should start with Paul and gene first meeting, and ending in early 78. Early 78 was their highest peak. We don't need a movie about all the highs and lows, just about the classic years and doing the hard yards together.
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Albums and movies are two totally different monsters. You really need this explained? Comparing making an album, to the gigantic effort of making a period piece film? Seriously?sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Sounds like you were the one whining about my very true statement. No one gave a single shit about the Runaways biopic so it completely FLOPPED, as in HUGE BOMB. "Detroit Rock City," as much as I love the movie, was another HUGE FLOP. It made a mere fraction of its budget. I saw it on opening night, and there were six people in the theater, including myself and my guest. Six fucking people. You think I like saying that? Stop living in dreamland and start thinking logically. There's absolutely zero reason for anyone to pour money into a Kiss biopic. And, if by some unbelievable miracle, one actually gets made? Guess what's gonna happen? You guessed it...FLOP.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
Again, start thinking logically without the rose-colored glasses.
I personally don't care if it flops or wins six Academies. you stated it NEVER would happen....well guess what, flop or not.
Every Velvet Underground album "flopped" too.
Keep judging with your almighty $$$$
Man, you are something else. Why do you think any film is made? The "almighty $$$." You think a Kiss biopic would be made as a nice little gift for you? To make you smile? No, to make your "almighty $$$" is why it'd be made. As in, profit, you familiar with that? NO film is ever greenlighted unless it is believed it will make your "almighty $$$" as in, PROFIT. And as I have pointed out, there is no good reason to make a Kiss biopic, because, again, no one would give a shit. There is no evidence whatsoever that a Kiss biopic would do well, no evidence that such an investment and effort would be profitable, but plenty to the contrary. I mentioned 1979, then it may have done ok. (But even then, Kiss only did a TV-movie, Kiss didn't do an American theatrical film that people would have to pay to see.) But now? In 2016? No chance in hell. Just stop your nonsense, think logically for one single second, and get your head out of your a$$. This isn't rocket science.
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Agree.redinthesky wrote:Man, you are something else. Why do you think any film is made? The "almighty $$$." You think a Kiss biopic would be made as a nice little gift for you? To make you smile? No, to make your "almighty $$$" is why it'd be made. And as I have pointed out, there is no good reason to make a Kiss biopic, because, again, no one would give a shit. There is no evidence whatsoever that a Kiss biopic would do well, and plenty to the contrary. I mentioned 1979, then it may have done ok. (But even then, Kiss only did a TV-movie, Kiss didn't do an American theatrical film that people would have to pay to see.) But now? In 2016? No chance in hell. Just stop your nonsense, think logically for one single second, and get your head out of your a$$. This isn't rocket science.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Sounds like you were the one whining about my very true statement. No one gave a single shit about the Runaways biopic so it completely FLOPPED, as in HUGE BOMB. "Detroit Rock City," as much as I love the movie, was another HUGE FLOP. It made a mere fraction of its budget. I saw it on opening night, and there were six people in the theater, including myself and my guest. Six fucking people. You think I like saying that? Stop living in dreamland and start thinking logically. There's absolutely zero reason for anyone to pour money into a Kiss biopic. And, if by some unbelievable miracle, one actually gets made? Guess what's gonna happen? You guessed it...FLOP.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
Again, start thinking logically without the rose-colored glasses.
I personally don't care if it flops or wins six Academies. you stated it NEVER would happen....well guess what, flop or not.
Every Velvet Underground album "flopped" too.
Keep judging with your almighty $$$$
The general public would give two shits about a KISS MOVIE , but I would be in heaven and pay to see it many times ( well until they pull it from theaters that is - - - ahhaha )
yeah .... there's no ' almighty $$$ ' to be made from this and there's ZERO - - I mean ZERO interest in KISS now-a-days and nothing new coming from KISS in the foreseeable future other than spotty touring of course.
DULL DAYS indeed.... soon it will be over completely .... soo ( I guess ) lets' enjoy seeing them yet again in concert and then look forward to reminiscing.
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10's of millions are going into Scorsese's Vinyl for HBO, a period piece about fictional stories
todays distribution model does not depend on traditional theatrical
there is pay per view
digital download
direct to cable, etc... is where the money is
Somebody made a biopic on the Runaways, on Paul raymond, on Nina Simone, on Ian Curtis, on Sid Vicious, even Bob Crane! Who is Bob Crane, star of Hogans Heroes!
Over the long run, this is considered content, and networks pay for content. Films are not made to win Academy Awrds, they never intend too. They do not have to be great films, hence the thousands made each year. They just need to have an audience and a story of a unique band, with unique obstacles and overcoming them is the type of story that has been written and been successful for centuries and will continue to be.
Regardless of whether you think it is a good idea or not, it will be made.
todays distribution model does not depend on traditional theatrical
there is pay per view
digital download
direct to cable, etc... is where the money is
Somebody made a biopic on the Runaways, on Paul raymond, on Nina Simone, on Ian Curtis, on Sid Vicious, even Bob Crane! Who is Bob Crane, star of Hogans Heroes!
Over the long run, this is considered content, and networks pay for content. Films are not made to win Academy Awrds, they never intend too. They do not have to be great films, hence the thousands made each year. They just need to have an audience and a story of a unique band, with unique obstacles and overcoming them is the type of story that has been written and been successful for centuries and will continue to be.
Regardless of whether you think it is a good idea or not, it will be made.
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piece of shit movies are released EVERY DAy brainiac. They don't earn shit. Same principle with music except maybe on a lesser scale. Don't be a dumbass. If you are a label with a $100,000 budget and you spend 20% of your budget on an album that doesnt sell is the same case for a production company with a $20 million dollar budget that doesn't make jack shit on a $2,000,000 movie.redinthesky wrote:Albums and movies are two totally different monsters. You really need this explained? Comparing making an album, to the gigantic effort of making a period piece film? Seriously?sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Sounds like you were the one whining about my very true statement. No one gave a single shit about the Runaways biopic so it completely FLOPPED, as in HUGE BOMB. "Detroit Rock City," as much as I love the movie, was another HUGE FLOP. It made a mere fraction of its budget. I saw it on opening night, and there were six people in the theater, including myself and my guest. Six fucking people. You think I like saying that? Stop living in dreamland and start thinking logically. There's absolutely zero reason for anyone to pour money into a Kiss biopic. And, if by some unbelievable miracle, one actually gets made? Guess what's gonna happen? You guessed it...FLOP.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
Again, start thinking logically without the rose-colored glasses.
I personally don't care if it flops or wins six Academies. you stated it NEVER would happen....well guess what, flop or not.
Every Velvet Underground album "flopped" too.
Keep judging with your almighty $$$$
Man, you are something else. Why do you think any film is made? The "almighty $$$." You think a Kiss biopic would be made as a nice little gift for you? To make you smile? No, to make your "almighty $$$" is why it'd be made. As in, profit, you familiar with that? NO film is ever greenlighted unless it is believed it will make your "almighty $$$" as in, PROFIT. And as I have pointed out, there is no good reason to make a Kiss biopic, because, again, no one would give a shit. There is no evidence whatsoever that a Kiss biopic would do well, no evidence that such an investment and effort would be profitable, but plenty to the contrary. I mentioned 1979, then it may have done ok. (But even then, Kiss only did a TV-movie, Kiss didn't do an American theatrical film that people would have to pay to see.) But now? In 2016? No chance in hell. Just stop your nonsense, think logically for one single second, and get your head out of your a$$. This isn't rocket science.
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Thank you for proving my point.Crispy wrote:10's of millions are going into Scorsese's Vinyl for HBO, a period piece about fictional stories
todays distribution model does not depend on traditional theatrical
there is pay per view
digital download
direct to cable, etc... is where the money is
Somebody made a biopic on the Runaways, on Paul raymond, on Nina Simone, on Ian Curtis, on Sid Vicious, even Bob Crane! Who is Bob Crane, star of Hogans Heroes!
Over the long run, this is considered content, and networks pay for content. Films are not made to win Academy Awrds, they never intend too. They do not have to be great films, hence the thousands made each year. They just need to have an audience and a story of a unique band, with unique obstacles and overcoming them is the type of story that has been written and been successful for centuries and will continue to be.
Regardless of whether you think it is a good idea or not, it will be made.
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Centuries eh? How many of these films about glam rock bands were made in the 19th century?Crispy wrote:
They just need to have an audience and a story of a unique band, with unique obstacles and overcoming them is the type of story that has been written and been successful for centuries and will continue to be.
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I love Victorian Glam Bands.Mackemkiss wrote:Centuries eh? How many of these films about glam rock bands were made in the 19th century?Crispy wrote:
They just need to have an audience and a story of a unique band, with unique obstacles and overcoming them is the type of story that has been written and been successful for centuries and will continue to be.
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Now HIS story was one that needed to be told. Fame, loss of fame, sexual addiction, murder. Doesn't matter who he is...that's some compelling shit right there.Crispy wrote: Who is Bob Crane, star of Hogans Heroes!
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Anyone investing money/time into making a movie about KISS deserves what they get. One thing I am very proud of is that from day 1 of becoming a fan of KISS, I knew exactly what they were and what they WEREN'T. In my decades of experience dealing/interacting with other KISS fans, I can honestly say, many are not on the same page with the b(r)and's actual reality. If I hear one more guy talking about "legacy" as if it's some ex-President's administration or "at one point they were dangerous," about guys wearing costumes of fictional made-up characters acting on stage in a show, I'm going to waterboard myself. Enjoy it for what it is/was, but please leave the histrionic reverence at a palatable minimum.
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Wow, you are just beyond clueless. It's astounding. I swear I;d think you're just joking. TRY to comprehend this. A movie is made IF WHO MAKES IT FEELS THERE IS MONEY/PROFIT TO BE MADE. The Runaways, that's what they thought, they were wrong, the film flopped. Kiss, they already had a movie, which BOMBED, so that is no incentive for any other Kiss film, of any kind, let alone a biopic which is a 70's period piece that will take a lot of money to make. Do you understand that at all? Is any of this getting through?sugardaddy wrote:piece of shit movies are released EVERY DAy brainiac. They don't earn shit. Same principle with music except maybe on a lesser scale. Don't be a dumbass. If you are a label with a $100,000 budget and you spend 20% of your budget on an album that doesnt sell is the same case for a production company with a $20 million dollar budget that doesn't make jack shit on a $2,000,000 movie.redinthesky wrote:Albums and movies are two totally different monsters. You really need this explained? Comparing making an album, to the gigantic effort of making a period piece film? Seriously?sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Sounds like you were the one whining about my very true statement. No one gave a single shit about the Runaways biopic so it completely FLOPPED, as in HUGE BOMB. "Detroit Rock City," as much as I love the movie, was another HUGE FLOP. It made a mere fraction of its budget. I saw it on opening night, and there were six people in the theater, including myself and my guest. Six fucking people. You think I like saying that? Stop living in dreamland and start thinking logically. There's absolutely zero reason for anyone to pour money into a Kiss biopic. And, if by some unbelievable miracle, one actually gets made? Guess what's gonna happen? You guessed it...FLOP.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
Again, start thinking logically without the rose-colored glasses.
I personally don't care if it flops or wins six Academies. you stated it NEVER would happen....well guess what, flop or not.
Every Velvet Underground album "flopped" too.
Keep judging with your almighty $$$$
Man, you are something else. Why do you think any film is made? The "almighty $$$." You think a Kiss biopic would be made as a nice little gift for you? To make you smile? No, to make your "almighty $$$" is why it'd be made. As in, profit, you familiar with that? NO film is ever greenlighted unless it is believed it will make your "almighty $$$" as in, PROFIT. And as I have pointed out, there is no good reason to make a Kiss biopic, because, again, no one would give a shit. There is no evidence whatsoever that a Kiss biopic would do well, no evidence that such an investment and effort would be profitable, but plenty to the contrary. I mentioned 1979, then it may have done ok. (But even then, Kiss only did a TV-movie, Kiss didn't do an American theatrical film that people would have to pay to see.) But now? In 2016? No chance in hell. Just stop your nonsense, think logically for one single second, and get your head out of your a$$. This isn't rocket science.
That is why there will not be a Kiss biopic - because there's NO REASON TO BELIEVE that it will make money. It's the opposite. Again - Kiss already had their movie, and it BOMBED. Get that? Get that at all? KIss had a movie. It was a FINANCIAL DISASTER. And not only did Kiss's film BOMB, but it bombed at a time when Kiss, as a band, was actually HOT, And STILL, at a time when Kiss was one of the hottest bands on the planet in 1999, no one still gave a fuck about a Kiss movie. And that movie was FUN, with a great plot and soundtrack, when the band was hot, and no one wanted to see it. So all of a sudden, after that bombed, people now give a shit how Gene Simmons met Peter Criss?
And now there's going be a Kiss movie? A bio-pic no less, for a band that even when they were smoking hot in 1999, didn't draw jack shit into a movie theater? Really?
Damn man, you seriously need a motherfucking CLUE. My goodness. I'm finished trying to explain this to you.
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redinthesky wrote:Wow, you are just beyond clueless. It's astounding. I swear I;d think you're just joking. TRY to comprehend this. A movie is made IF WHO MAKES IT FEELS THERE IS MONEY/PROFIT TO BE MADE. The Runaways, that's what they thought, they were wrong, the film flopped. Kiss, they already had a movie, which BOMBED, so that is no incentive for any other Kiss film, of any kind, let alone a biopic which is a 70's period piece that will take a lot of money to make. Do you understand that at all? Is any of this getting through?sugardaddy wrote:piece of shit movies are released EVERY DAy brainiac. They don't earn shit. Same principle with music except maybe on a lesser scale. Don't be a dumbass. If you are a label with a $100,000 budget and you spend 20% of your budget on an album that doesnt sell is the same case for a production company with a $20 million dollar budget that doesn't make jack shit on a $2,000,000 movie.redinthesky wrote:Albums and movies are two totally different monsters. You really need this explained? Comparing making an album, to the gigantic effort of making a period piece film? Seriously?sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Sounds like you were the one whining about my very true statement. No one gave a single shit about the Runaways biopic so it completely FLOPPED, as in HUGE BOMB. "Detroit Rock City," as much as I love the movie, was another HUGE FLOP. It made a mere fraction of its budget. I saw it on opening night, and there were six people in the theater, including myself and my guest. Six fucking people. You think I like saying that? Stop living in dreamland and start thinking logically. There's absolutely zero reason for anyone to pour money into a Kiss biopic. And, if by some unbelievable miracle, one actually gets made? Guess what's gonna happen? You guessed it...FLOP.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:Yup, the Runaways biopic movie which was a complete flop that almost no one paid to see because, yes, no one gave a shit. That one.sugardaddy wrote:redinthesky wrote:There will never be a Kiss biopic because frankly, almost no one gives a shit. Something like this may have actually had a bit of an audience if a Kiss biopic was done as a TV-movie in 1979 - but no chance now. And the complete failure of "Detroit Rock City" pretty much buried this idea for good. And no way is anyone going to go to the expense for this, especially a 70's period piece.
So yeah, a Kiss bio-pic I think it's safe to say will never, ever happen. But we will see Gene announce about "plans" for one for sure, but it will never happen.
kinda like no one gives a shit about a Runaways biopic too, right?
Well apparently there IS gonna be a KISS biopic and there is nothing you can do about it except whine about it on here. OH, fyi, DRC is a considered a cult classic now.
Again, start thinking logically without the rose-colored glasses.
I personally don't care if it flops or wins six Academies. you stated it NEVER would happen....well guess what, flop or not.
Every Velvet Underground album "flopped" too.
Keep judging with your almighty $$$$
Man, you are something else. Why do you think any film is made? The "almighty $$$." You think a Kiss biopic would be made as a nice little gift for you? To make you smile? No, to make your "almighty $$$" is why it'd be made. As in, profit, you familiar with that? NO film is ever greenlighted unless it is believed it will make your "almighty $$$" as in, PROFIT. And as I have pointed out, there is no good reason to make a Kiss biopic, because, again, no one would give a shit. There is no evidence whatsoever that a Kiss biopic would do well, no evidence that such an investment and effort would be profitable, but plenty to the contrary. I mentioned 1979, then it may have done ok. (But even then, Kiss only did a TV-movie, Kiss didn't do an American theatrical film that people would have to pay to see.) But now? In 2016? No chance in hell. Just stop your nonsense, think logically for one single second, and get your head out of your a$$. This isn't rocket science.
That is why there will not be a Kiss biopic - because there's NO REASON TO BELIEVE that it will make money. It's the opposite. Again - Kiss already had their movie, and it BOMBED. Get that? Get that at all? KIss had a movie. It was a FINANCIAL DISASTER. And not only did Kiss's film BOMB, but it bombed at a time when Kiss, as a band, was actually HOT, And STILL, at a time when Kiss was one of the hottest bands on the planet in 1999, no one still gave a fuck about a Kiss movie. And that movie was FUN, with a great plot and soundtrack, when the band was hot, and no one wanted to see it. So all of a sudden, after that bombed, people now give a shit how Gene Simmons met Peter Criss?
And now there's going be a Kiss movie? A bio-pic no less, for a band that even when they were smoking hot in 1999, didn't draw jack shit into a movie theater? Really?
Damn man, you seriously need a motherfucking CLUE. My goodness. I'm finished trying to explain this to you.
It's called art, dipshit.
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That is pretty good, whoever makes a biopic someday should reach out to you for casting advice!Diss wrote:Those are pretty inspired choices, all of 'em. Nice job!justcoz wrote:This was my casting from a similar thread a few months ago...
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Ezra Miller as Paul Stanley
Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Gene Simmons
Jeremy Allen White as Peter Criss
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There's not much I'd want to see less than a KISS biopic.
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WOW! A few angry people who think they know the film business.
When someone proposed making a film about Charles manson, there were few fans, no big fan club. But, curiousity is what makes people watch. Same as Nixon, Ailen Wuornos (Monster) Gacy and Zodiac Killer. Curiosity.
I could care less for Johnny cash, would never put a song of his on, didn't even know any of his songs. Bang, they make a biopic. Out of curiosity I watched. I didnt run to the the theaters, saw it on Netflix. Result, he wasn't that bad.
same for just about every movie ever made and in today's distribution system, even you characters you are bashing this film, YOU WILL WATCH IT. In fact, because it is attracting such hatred, the more you will interest others to watch it. That's drama!
When someone proposed making a film about Charles manson, there were few fans, no big fan club. But, curiousity is what makes people watch. Same as Nixon, Ailen Wuornos (Monster) Gacy and Zodiac Killer. Curiosity.
I could care less for Johnny cash, would never put a song of his on, didn't even know any of his songs. Bang, they make a biopic. Out of curiosity I watched. I didnt run to the the theaters, saw it on Netflix. Result, he wasn't that bad.
same for just about every movie ever made and in today's distribution system, even you characters you are bashing this film, YOU WILL WATCH IT. In fact, because it is attracting such hatred, the more you will interest others to watch it. That's drama!
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I was thinking about JC on the commute this morning.Crispy wrote:WOW! A few angry people who think they know the film business.
When someone proposed making a film about Charles manson, there were few fans, no big fan club. But, curiousity is what makes people watch. Same as Nixon, Ailen Wuornos (Monster) Gacy and Zodiac Killer. Curiosity.
I could care less for Johnny cash, would never put a song of his on, didn't even know any of his songs. Bang, they make a biopic. Out of curiosity I watched. I didnt run to the the theaters, saw it on Netflix. Result, he wasn't that bad.
same for just about every movie ever made and in today's distribution system, even you characters you are bashing this film, YOU WILL WATCH IT. In fact, because it is attracting such hatred, the more you will interest others to watch it. That's drama!
Johnny Cash was one of the most amazing country music artists of all time.
I also stand by my statement that he was metal before such a thing existed. Check out "The Legend of Johnny Cash" on American Recordings....such a great collection of music.
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There's nothing more ( at this point ) that I'd rather see than a KISS biopic.Reverend Colonel wrote:There's not much I'd want to see less than a KISS biopic.
The band is demonstrating that they're finished and are just going to tour the circuit here and there ( where ever they think they can grab the most money ) and that's it. I mean if you don't want to record or give the fans anything new what else would you call it ?
A well made biopic with a great cast and attention to detail would be a nice bookend for me and KISS ( it might even get the stench of Monster completely out of my ears )
As far as yet another Doc goes..... geesh. What else to we really need to learn about or know about this band.
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Food for thought:Crispy wrote:WOW! A few angry people who think they know the film business.
When someone proposed making a film about Charles manson, there were few fans, no big fan club. But, curiousity is what makes people watch. Same as Nixon, Ailen Wuornos (Monster) Gacy and Zodiac Killer. Curiosity.
I could care less for Johnny cash, would never put a song of his on, didn't even know any of his songs. Bang, they make a biopic. Out of curiosity I watched. I didnt run to the the theaters, saw it on Netflix. Result, he wasn't that bad.
same for just about every movie ever made and in today's distribution system, even you characters you are bashing this film, YOU WILL WATCH IT. In fact, because it is attracting such hatred, the more you will interest others to watch it. That's drama!
https://www.kissfaq.com/forum24/viewtopi ... 1&t=112989
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I'm just trying to figure out how you'd make the KISS story a real dramatic piece.
I mean, yeah, the story is INTERESTING, no doubt, especially to us who love the band. But most of it is just the traditional rock and roll story. Band starts, overcomes odds, drugs and drink and ego fall into the picture, they split up, maybe reunite, etc. Without a big injection of fiction, I don't see how you make this something that people would really want to see who aren't KISS fans. But again, would love to be proven wrong.
The Runaways movie was fascinating with its all-girl band trailblazers. Cash is already an icon, and his life was incredibly interesting. I love the drama that follows KISS, but I don't see it as anything mainstream film-worthy. We shall see. As of this point, many have tried, all have failed.
I mean, yeah, the story is INTERESTING, no doubt, especially to us who love the band. But most of it is just the traditional rock and roll story. Band starts, overcomes odds, drugs and drink and ego fall into the picture, they split up, maybe reunite, etc. Without a big injection of fiction, I don't see how you make this something that people would really want to see who aren't KISS fans. But again, would love to be proven wrong.
The Runaways movie was fascinating with its all-girl band trailblazers. Cash is already an icon, and his life was incredibly interesting. I love the drama that follows KISS, but I don't see it as anything mainstream film-worthy. We shall see. As of this point, many have tried, all have failed.
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I have felt all along a doc was not the way to go
if it were done along the lines of SuperDuper Alice Cooper, it would and could be a nice little film
The only thing left that would give KISS fans something they could enjoy is a biopic that relives many key and funny moments and weaves in some fiction, drama and entertainment, and not necessarily by them.
Stay tuned, I will release a scene and additional info when I can
if it were done along the lines of SuperDuper Alice Cooper, it would and could be a nice little film
The only thing left that would give KISS fans something they could enjoy is a biopic that relives many key and funny moments and weaves in some fiction, drama and entertainment, and not necessarily by them.
Stay tuned, I will release a scene and additional info when I can
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Wait, a scene? You've already been filming? Or is this one of those mock up or story board type of things?Crispy wrote:I have felt all along a doc was not the way to go
if it were done along the lines of SuperDuper Alice Cooper, it would and could be a nice little film
The only thing left that would give KISS fans something they could enjoy is a biopic that relives many key and funny moments and weaves in some fiction, drama and entertainment, and not necessarily by them.
Stay tuned, I will release a scene and additional info when I can
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OK, NOW you've got my attention.Crispy wrote:I have felt all along a doc was not the way to go
if it were done along the lines of SuperDuper Alice Cooper, it would and could be a nice little film
The only thing left that would give KISS fans something they could enjoy is a biopic that relives many key and funny moments and weaves in some fiction, drama and entertainment, and not necessarily by them.
Stay tuned, I will release a scene and additional info when I can
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The only thing left that would give KISS fans something they could enjoy is a biopic that relives many key and funny moments and weaves in some fiction, drama and entertainment, and not necessarily by them.
So might I be getting warm with my thoughts on Bill and Sean being the main protagonists? Can't see who else might fit in a 'Backbeat' scenario? Or have you optioned the original crew's memoires?!?
So might I be getting warm with my thoughts on Bill and Sean being the main protagonists? Can't see who else might fit in a 'Backbeat' scenario? Or have you optioned the original crew's memoires?!?
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A KISS Biopic
If one was to do KISS biopic like the fantastic Straight Outta Compton movie, who would be some actors that you could see playing the roles of the YOUNG KISS originals up to 1979?
Also I am thinking, what would be the nice skeleton of a story and where would it go? What would you get rid of?
I think some of the early stories of KISS are amazing, and I know without question that people would flock to this if it was taken seriously.
Also I am thinking, what would be the nice skeleton of a story and where would it go? What would you get rid of?
I think some of the early stories of KISS are amazing, and I know without question that people would flock to this if it was taken seriously.
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Maybe you want to join this discussion: https://www.kissfaq.com/forum24/viewtopi ... 1&t=112938
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justcoz wrote:This was my casting from a similar thread a few months ago...
Rory Culkin as Ace Frehley
Ezra Miller as Paul Stanley
Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Gene Simmons
Jeremy Allen White as Peter Criss
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I appreciate the post being merged. Those are some interesting picks for the fearsome foursome! Jeremy Allen looks very good for Peter. He is slightly shorter than Peter Criss so I think that works out real well. I could see Gene's son as Gene. He is getting old to play him, but I think it would still work.
For my rundown of the Straight Outta Compton equivalent, which I still feel to be one of the best biopics EVER:
Gene Simmons-Eazy-E The visionary, the money hungry, the "mascot"
Paul Stanley-Dr. Dre while not exactly a producer, he is the man behind the curtain and without question one of the most talented individuals in the band..but has to work at it.
Ace Frehley-Obviously Ice Cube. He is the talent that is so natural, that one doesn't have to work at all. Also I consider him to be the one that left and showed a different side to his work.
Peter Criss-MC-Ren/DJ Yells. Perceived as the least talented, but still important piece to glue everything together. Peter delivered many times over, but like MC Ren failed to have a decent solo career. DJ Yella is comparable, because he was the least vocal, but was a drummer, and also the least educated one, and most likely to just "go along" as long as thing were good.
These are loose connections, but fantastic examples of a how a story can be well told. This NEEDS to happen.
For my rundown of the Straight Outta Compton equivalent, which I still feel to be one of the best biopics EVER:
Gene Simmons-Eazy-E The visionary, the money hungry, the "mascot"
Paul Stanley-Dr. Dre while not exactly a producer, he is the man behind the curtain and without question one of the most talented individuals in the band..but has to work at it.
Ace Frehley-Obviously Ice Cube. He is the talent that is so natural, that one doesn't have to work at all. Also I consider him to be the one that left and showed a different side to his work.
Peter Criss-MC-Ren/DJ Yells. Perceived as the least talented, but still important piece to glue everything together. Peter delivered many times over, but like MC Ren failed to have a decent solo career. DJ Yella is comparable, because he was the least vocal, but was a drummer, and also the least educated one, and most likely to just "go along" as long as thing were good.
These are loose connections, but fantastic examples of a how a story can be well told. This NEEDS to happen.