Strutter' 95

C · Post by C » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:26 am

Why did they Choose to re-record Strutter back in '95, since they recorded one in '78
cool version none the less !
i can't take Singer's background vocals
i wonder if they recorded more songs.

PUNCHLINE · Post by **PUNCHLINE** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:30 am

C wrote:Why did they Choose to re-record Strutter back in '95, since they recorded one in '78
cool version none the less !
i can't take Singer's background vocals
i wonder if they recorded more songs.

Was this one of the songs recorded for Japan in 1995? Didnt they do Rock Bottom too?

jmitzel · Post by **jmitzel** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:47 am

KISS recorded this song and a few others for donation of Earthquake in Kobe, Japan, at Budokan, Tokyo on afternoon of Jan. 30th, 1995. A record company in Japan presented this tape for visitors at KISS’ Event in Tokyo. It never released this material on CD anywhere.

The songs were apparently recorded at a soundcheck.

C · Post by C » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:00 am

Cool stuff , what's the other tracks?

jmitzel · Post by **jmitzel** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:09 am

C wrote:Cool stuff , what's the other tracks?

Strutter & Rock Bottom

Deuce1231 · Post by **Deuce1231** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:32 am

jmitzel wrote:KISS recorded this song and a few others for donation of Earthquake in Kobe, Japan, at Budokan, Tokyo on afternoon of Jan. 30th, 1995. A record company in Japan presented this tape for visitors at KISS’ Event in Tokyo. It never released this material on CD anywhere.

The songs were apparently recorded at a soundcheck.

Yes. The songs were available to listen to on a telephone line that, when called, made a donation to Kobe relief efforts due to the earthquake hit that area. The audio is a bit lower quality for that reason, I suppose.

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:47 am

wow that sucked bad. sorry guys no offense . awful drumming, sounds like he had heard the song once and recorded it the NeXT day. guitar solo was bad too,nothing to Write home about imo

SpaceBeat12 · Post by **SpaceBeat12** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:47 am

jmitzel wrote:KISS recorded this song and a few others for donation of Earthquake in Kobe, Japan, at Budokan, Tokyo on afternoon of Jan. 30th, 1995. A record company in Japan presented this tape for visitors at KISS’ Event in Tokyo. It never released this material on CD anywhere.

The songs were apparently recorded at a soundcheck.

I am not sure but I Believe that KISS once donated every dollar from a ticket somewhere around 1995 due to the earthquake.

cdb1 · Post by **cdb1** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:11 pm

jmitzel wrote:The songs were apparently recorded at a soundcheck.

I was thinking it sounded live. That explains it.

mamado · Post by **mamado** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:15 pm

lespaul wrote:wow that sucked bad. sorry guys no offense . awful drumming, sounds like he had heard the song once and recorded it the NeXT day. guitar solo was bad too,nothing to Write home about imo

I agree + Nuthin' beats the original one... NUTHIN' AT ALL!!!

Ace's Silver Suit · Post by **Ace's Silver Suit** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:59 pm

lespaul wrote:wow that sucked bad. sorry guys no offense . awful drumming, sounds like he had heard the song once and recorded it the NeXT day. guitar solo was bad too,nothing to Write home about imo

Eric Singer could hear this song a million times, and never supply the right feel and swagger ... and those backups! Man ...

Nice gesture from the band, though.

Tommyr · Post by **Tommyr** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:32 pm

lespaul wrote:wow that sucked bad. sorry guys no offense . awful drumming, sounds like he had heard the song once and recorded it the NeXT day. guitar solo was bad too,nothing to Write home about imo

Agreed . You can can't beat the original versions of these classics. No matter what Paul or Gene says.

TheKISSLogo · Post by **TheKISSLogo** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:36 pm

God this sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mistermike40 · Post by **mistermike40** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:52 pm

OP - thanks for posting, I'd never heard this before.

I agree - other versions of Strutter are better, but it's cool to hear a new take on a great song.

120 Decibels Jr. · Post by **120 Decibels Jr.** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:57 pm

... 'Poop-Poop' Platter!

:chef:

Post by **Admin** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:25 pm

Geez, it's a sound-check live recording. Whatcha expecting. Overdubs?

Ace's Silver Suit · Post by **Ace's Silver Suit** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:46 pm

Come on - a boombox recording of, for example, Cheap Trick doing one of their earliest songs would sound great, faithful, etc.

To me, the recording epitomizes the completely clueless mindset of Gene and Paul, their never realizing that they were a rock 'n' roll band, not metal, and their veering off the path resulted in even more of it, like hiring Eric Singer, who is just not naturally wired (get it?) for playing KISS music. He's gotten somewhat better with it throughout the years, though. Even Eric Carr sorta blew "Strutter" - but I liked what he did better.

I didn't really wanna dovetail into an anti-Singer thing - that's just part of it. The overall sound is just so ... lame.

jmitzel · Post by **jmitzel** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:32 am

SpaceBeat12 wrote:
jmitzel wrote:KISS recorded this song and a few others for donation of Earthquake in Kobe, Japan, at Budokan, Tokyo on afternoon of Jan. 30th, 1995. A record company in Japan presented this tape for visitors at KISS’ Event in Tokyo. It never released this material on CD anywhere.

The songs were apparently recorded at a soundcheck.
I am not sure but I Believe that KISS once donated every dollar from a ticket somewhere around 1995 due to the earthquake.

HMMM, trying to figure out where I said they donated money from ticket sales?!?!??!??!

Strutter67 · Post by **Strutter67** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:36 am

Ace's Silver Suit wrote:Come on - a boombox recording of, for example, Cheap Trick doing one of their earliest songs would sound great, faithful, etc.

To me, the recording epitomizes the completely clueless mindset of Gene and Paul, their never realizing that they were a rock 'n' roll band, not metal, and their veering off the path resulted in even more of it, like hiring Eric Singer, who is just not naturally wired (get it?) for playing KISS music. He's gotten somewhat better with it throughout the years, though. Even Eric Carr sorta blew "Strutter" - but I liked what he did better.

I didn't really wanna dovetail into an anti-Singer thing - that's just part of it. The overall sound is just so ... lame.

You can believe whatever you want and wave the Peter flag but just because neither Eric can capture Peter's feel dosn't mean it's a bad thing. Both drummers bury Peter. Peter was damn good in his prime but never at the level at Carr or Singer. To me Carr and Singer played the song the way it should have been played from day 1 and in a way Peter could never reach. That's not on Carr or Singer, that's on Peter. Can't see or hear that? That would be on you

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:39 am

Strutter67 wrote:
Ace's Silver Suit wrote:Come on - a boombox recording of, for example, Cheap Trick doing one of their earliest songs would sound great, faithful, etc.

To me, the recording epitomizes the completely clueless mindset of Gene and Paul, their never realizing that they were a rock 'n' roll band, not metal, and their veering off the path resulted in even more of it, like hiring Eric Singer, who is just not naturally wired (get it?) for playing KISS music. He's gotten somewhat better with it throughout the years, though. Even Eric Carr sorta blew "Strutter" - but I liked what he did better.

I didn't really wanna dovetail into an anti-Singer thing - that's just part of it. The overall sound is just so ... lame.

You can believe whatever you want and wave the Peter flag but just because neither Eric can capture Peter's feel dosn't mean it's a bad thing. Both drummers bury Peter. Peter was damn good in his prime but never at the level at Carr or Singer. To me Carr and Singer played the song the way it should have been played from day 1 and in a way Peter could never reach. That's not on Carr or Singer, that's on Peter. Can't see or hear that? That would be on you

I don`t get it , but hey we`re all different

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:47 am

Listen to the original Version on the first album,and then listen to this , who can seriously say that it`s better drumming and the way it should be played??

jestor92 · Post by **jestor92** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:50 am

Thanks I've never heard that version of Strutter.

savage_dreams · Post by **savage_dreams** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:29 am

Admin wrote:Geez, it's a sound-check live recording. Whatcha expecting. Overdubs?

and done for a good cause. yet all people can do is bitch and moan. such is life in the modern world of the intorwebs.

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:42 am

yes admirable thing to do, i agree

but honestly this Version is awful . i am not whining about the sound, but the actual musical performances that goes to show that Paul and gene didnt have a Clue,lol

Strutter67 · Post by **Strutter67** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:47 am

lespaul wrote:yes admirable thing to do, i agree

but honestly this Version is awful . i am not whining about the sound, but the actual musical performances that goes to show that Paul and gene didnt have a Clue,lol

That's your biased interpretation. Considering where you are and where they are i would say they do have a clue.

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:50 am

Strutter67 wrote:
lespaul wrote:yes admirable thing to do, i agree

but honestly this Version is awful . i am not whining about the sound, but the actual musical performances that goes to show that Paul and gene didnt have a Clue,lol

That's your biased interpretation. Considering where you are and where they are i would say they do have a clue.

biased? and you`re not?

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:52 am

I Guess you like the guitar solos better than Ace`s too ??

Deuce1231 · Post by **Deuce1231** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm

Admin wrote:Geez, it's a sound-check live recording. Whatcha expecting. Overdubs?

Not to mention it was meant to be heard over a telephone, as opposed to a high-end audio setup.

Strutter67 · Post by **Strutter67** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:54 pm

lespaul wrote:I Guess you like the guitar solos better than Ace`s too ??

No i'm not biased. You can think what you want. And no i don't like the solos better but that doesn't mean Tommy isn't playing them well. Right now Tommy is playing them better than Ace would. 70's? I'll take Ace anyday. No doubt, no hesitation. You really need to learn to separate your persoal feelings from reality

goinblind · Post by **goinblind** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:55 pm

How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Ikons · Post by **Ikons** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:01 pm

I think it's a solid version.

Strutter67 · Post by **Strutter67** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:27 pm

goinblind wrote:How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Singer is a well respected drummer. Why you don't know that is beyond ridiculous

goinblind · Post by **goinblind** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:47 pm

Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Singer is a well respected drummer. Why you don't know that is beyond ridiculous

I know why he's considered well respected by bands that hire him - he follows directions and can play to a click. That's it.

Ask any rock music fan (i.e. not a KISS or Sabbath fan boy) to name a song where they love his drumming and you will get crickets.

Strutter67 · Post by **Strutter67** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:23 pm

goinblind wrote:
Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Singer is a well respected drummer. Why you don't know that is beyond ridiculous
I know why he's considered well respected by bands that hire him - he follows directions and can play to a click. That's it.

Ask any rock music fan (i.e. not a KISS or Sabbath fan boy) to name a song where they love his drumming and you will get crickets.

First Badlands album, Revenge, Alive III. He kicked ass. He's toned it down the last 2 albums but he hasn't played poorly by any means. I bought the first Badlands album not long after it came out. Never heard of Eric Singer at that point and was very impressed with his playing. Obviously long before KISS.

Sirscorps · Post by **Sirscorps** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:46 pm

goinblind wrote:
Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Singer is a well respected drummer. Why you don't know that is beyond ridiculous
I know why he's considered well respected by bands that hire him - he follows directions and can play to a click. That's it.

Ask any rock music fan (i.e. not a KISS or Sabbath fan boy) to name a song where they love his drumming and you will get crickets.

"chirp"

/Kiss, Sabbath, Badlands fan.

Fickdich · Post by **Fickdich** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:00 pm

Paul's pipes were impressive back then.

Fickdich · Post by **Fickdich** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:01 pm

double post

GermanKissFan · Post by **GermanKissFan** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:03 pm

Strutter67 wrote:
lespaul wrote:I Guess you like the guitar solos better than Ace`s too ??

No i'm not biased. You can think what you want. And no i don't like the solos better but that doesn't mean Tommy isn't playing them well. Right now Tommy is playing them better than Ace would. 70's? I'll take Ace anyday. No doubt, no hesitation. You really need to learn to separate your persoal feelings from reality

Ehm... Bruce.

I Am A FREAK · Post by **I Am A FREAK** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:10 am

C wrote:Why did they Choose to re-record Strutter back in '95, since they recorded one in '78
cool version none the less !
i can't take Singer's background vocals
i wonder if they recorded more songs.

I like it very much. I love to hear re-recording of their classic .... I like his modern sounds, cool stuff

Planet Caravan · Post by **Planet Caravan** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:37 am

Interesting. Sounds like the music was recorded at soundcheck and the vocals were overdubbed afterwards.

I don't understand why Singer changed Peter's famous drum roll (the one at the intro that gets repeated a few times throughout the song). The way he played it, it was missing a whole beat & that made the song jerk awkwardly.

Vocals & guitars were fine.

ejluther · Post by **ejluther** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:17 am

like hiring Eric Singer, who is just not naturally wired (get it?)

Nope, I don't get it (I'm sure it's obvious to others but not me)...

Kissologist · Post by **Kissologist** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:11 am

Not bad.

But I think that lineup could've made it a little better

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:19 am

Strutter67 wrote:
lespaul wrote:I Guess you like the guitar solos better than Ace`s too ??

No i'm not biased. You can think what you want. And no i don't like the solos better but that doesn't mean Tommy isn't playing them well. Right now Tommy is playing them better than Ace would. 70's? I'll take Ace anyday. No doubt, no hesitation. You really need to learn to separate your persoal feelings from reality

I wasnt talking about Ace from the last twenty years,and Its not about Tommy either. What Bruce came up With was simply awful,why change a classic solo for something thats just blah?? Vinnie Vincent was awful too

I Am A FREAK · Post by **I Am A FREAK** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:42 am

lespaul wrote:
Strutter67 wrote:
lespaul wrote:I Guess you like the guitar solos better than Ace`s too ??

No i'm not biased. You can think what you want. And no i don't like the solos better but that doesn't mean Tommy isn't playing them well. Right now Tommy is playing them better than Ace would. 70's? I'll take Ace anyday. No doubt, no hesitation. You really need to learn to separate your persoal feelings from reality
I wasnt talking about Ace from the last twenty years,and Its not about Tommy either. What Bruce came up With was simply awful,why change a classic solo for something thats just blah?? Vinnie Vincent was awful too

Whereas the original is always the best I think is nice to explore new ideas, personally I like to listen to new versions of their classics :mrgreen:

goinblind · Post by **goinblind** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:34 pm

Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:
Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Singer is a well respected drummer. Why you don't know that is beyond ridiculous
I know why he's considered well respected by bands that hire him - he follows directions and can play to a click. That's it.

Ask any rock music fan (i.e. not a KISS or Sabbath fan boy) to name a song where they love his drumming and you will get crickets.

First Badlands album, Revenge, Alive III. He kicked ass. He's toned it down the last 2 albums but he hasn't played poorly by any means. I bought the first Badlands album not long after it came out. Never heard of Eric Singer at that point and was very impressed with his playing. Obviously long before KISS.

I like the first Badlands album, too. But his drumming is generic. Between Badlands, Revenge, and everything else he's recorded, I can't name a single drum part that stuck out or that I thought was cool, or that I even play air drums to when I'm listening.

Peter Criss, Bill Ward, John Bonham, even guys like Lee Kerslake and Tommy Lee - they have countless parts that are memorable. Eric Singer just has no creative drumming, and in this case of Strutter, screws up the creative parts that someone else played. And he plays like a robot. He's not a good drummer. He's just a good employee that plays drums and makes it easier in the studio because he can play like a robot to a click.

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:37 pm

and the drummer that replaced singer in Badlands was so much better. i can hear the singer fans going " nooo", lol

120 Decibels Jr. · Post by **120 Decibels Jr.** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:45 pm

lespaul · Post by **lespaul** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:12 am

now thats a great record

PUNCHLINE · Post by **PUNCHLINE** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:09 am

goinblind wrote:
Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:
Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Singer is a well respected drummer. Why you don't know that is beyond ridiculous
I know why he's considered well respected by bands that hire him - he follows directions and can play to a click. That's it.

Ask any rock music fan (i.e. not a KISS or Sabbath fan boy) to name a song where they love his drumming and you will get crickets.

First Badlands album, Revenge, Alive III. He kicked ass. He's toned it down the last 2 albums but he hasn't played poorly by any means. I bought the first Badlands album not long after it came out. Never heard of Eric Singer at that point and was very impressed with his playing. Obviously long before KISS.
I like the first Badlands album, too. But his drumming is generic. Between Badlands, Revenge, and everything else he's recorded, I can't name a single drum part that stuck out or that I thought was cool, or that I even play air drums to when I'm listening.

Peter Criss, Bill Ward, John Bonham, even guys like Lee Kerslake and Tommy Lee - they have countless parts that are memorable. Eric Singer just has no creative drumming, and in this case of Strutter, screws up the creative parts that someone else played. And he plays like a robot. He's not a good drummer. He's just a good employee that plays drums and makes it easier in the studio because he can play like a robot to a click.

Playing to a click, how horrible! Must be a really shitty drummer!

Ironic given your avatar that Bobby Rock used to play to one live too with the Invasion....

Deuce1231 · Post by **Deuce1231** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:14 am

Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:
Strutter67 wrote:
goinblind wrote:How can anyone listen to this and think Eric Singer is a good drummer? Robotic, and terrible choices in where/what to play.

Singer is a well respected drummer. Why you don't know that is beyond ridiculous
I know why he's considered well respected by bands that hire him - he follows directions and can play to a click. That's it.

Ask any rock music fan (i.e. not a KISS or Sabbath fan boy) to name a song where they love his drumming and you will get crickets.

First Badlands album, Revenge, Alive III. He kicked ass. He's toned it down the last 2 albums but he hasn't played poorly by any means. I bought the first Badlands album not long after it came out. Never heard of Eric Singer at that point and was very impressed with his playing. Obviously long before KISS.

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